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You're one of the people whose boomer parents are transferring trillions of dollars into your kids, one down payment at a time, to subsidize your secret New York life. And at a certain point, you're going to have to move to Boulder. Yeah, nothing could get me to move to Boulder. I don't care. Shout out to Boulder. Boulder fucks. I hate when people say fuck. I don't want to live there. A place fucking and a place that I want to live are two different things. Oh, interesting. I don't like the outdoors enough to live in Boulder. You don't either. It takes a different kind of person, I think, to live in a place like that. But the sunshine, the 300 days of sun a year, does sound very appealing. That part I do like. New York Magazine, who's on the beat of Rich... people rich kids i guess is it must get them clicks i i just don't like well it's because rich kids write for them i mean i i just don't understand a cover story about people in new york having their rent paid by their parents that's a that's that's the most basic knowledge that you get when you move here that's the first thing that's the first thing that happens you go over to somebody's house you're like this don't add up bro you go to nyu i don't understand this But I don't know what there is to report on that. I mean, I didn't read the story because I just don't care. But it reminds me of the Nepo baby thing where it was like, yes, I know that rich people and famous people have children, and those children often go into the same career path as their parents. That's not really news. Yeah. I mean, I guess people are, as life on planet Earth becomes less and less. enjoyable and easy to succeed in you know anytime people are feeling these injustices out in the world because other people grew up with money and you didn't you know that that middle class gap being removed it's people are more and more like wtf i hate the fact that i have to work twice as hard as other people who don't and well here's the thing

you know started on third base like some of these richies did yeah no of course but like if that if you let that bother you then you have a long life ahead of you yeah because that is not there's nothing you can do about that that's why that's why i just find it so fruitless it's just like what are you gonna do i can't I can't all of a sudden wish generational wealth upon myself and then it will happen. That's just not how it goes. Yeah. It's not how it goes. It's not really – and it also – I haven't read the article, but the headline being how many New Yorkers are secretly subsidized by their parents. I would bet my left and right testicle that they'd never answer that question. It's just like – It's more of a sample test, a sample set of people that they're able to speak to. I also think that if that is the kind of thing that is bothering you, you've got to move out of New York. If you don't want to be surrounded by rich people, whether they made the money themselves or they got it from their parents, then New York ain't the place for you. To me, being surrounded by that is motivating. I would say you don't like eating a horse. Don't go to Sicily, bitch. I think it can turn negative, of course, but that's on you. That's not that's not the earner's fault or the born person's fault. I would say, you know, I always like to think as somebody who grew up with zero subsidization whatsoever from my parents, consider it, you know, as like you're an Olympic gymnast or a swimmer or something where you're judged on the degree of difficulty of what you've completed. You know, it's like you're you're competing with a bunch of people who their degree of difficulty was a one star out of five. So it's like, yeah, awesome. You you're rich ass has a house in an expensive place. Good job. Not that hard for you. But, you know, the people who really were able to claw themselves up, put in the work and achieve some even if you just become mid, you've come such, you know, such has been such a far amazing journey. Most people can hope. to become mid me included that that's the that's the best i'm gonna do so i'm happy to get mid is not the dream but it can be a goal mid is the reality i think is the best way to put that mid is the reality yeah oh yeah mid class the middle class we're not talking about that anymore it's the mid class no we're talking about mid yeah speaking of uh we got let's get into kendrick at the super bowl just a wee bit i would say

The Webster's Dictionary of Mid, in the way that we're speaking about it right now, as in, it is not a bad thing. It is not a great thing. It is literally in the middle. I think that, I mean, I got killed for this because people, I don't think that the Super Bowl, which is arguably the biggest audience you could ever play in front of, which is. No, like, apparently, I don't know about that one, but they were predicting that this year's Super Bowl, usually every year. It beats last year's record for the most watched event in the history of life on Earth. My point is, if you're doing that, I would assume the best course of action would be to play songs people know and not... Basically, people are like, you don't understand. You don't get the symbolism. I'm like, I don't think the fucking Super Bowl is the time for symbolism and hidden messages. Why not? Because no one gets that. No one cares except nerds. Like, only nerds care about that shit. Only nerds love Kendrick. It's perfecto. That's true. That's true. No, I mean, it just wasn't compelling. It wasn't a good performance. I'm sure the symbolism is all interesting and deep. I don't care about that. Like, I'm there to see Prince. I'm there to see Tom Petty. Like, people that just come out and they're unbelievable performers and they got hits that you know. That's what the Super Bowl is about. Not album cuts. It just doesn't make sense. I don't disagree with you. My thoughts on it were, yes, it was boring, but I also liked it. I thought it was a nice, for some reason, it was a nice reprieve from all the crazy bullshit. And I really liked how the dancers that he hired... Somebody tweeted something funny about it. The most impressive feat of all was that he was able to find 100 dancers that were all as tall as or shorter than Kendrick Lamar. That is impressive. He didn't look so dinky-fied amongst everyone else. The coolest thing is that the dancers all were wearing unique clothes. They were the best dressed people on that stage for sure. They all had their heat tech, all the bussy blown out of their heat tech. But it looked like here's a bunch of people on stage on the football field.

who never thought in a million years they were going to be able to be on the biggest show of all time. And they were doing what they love in a very impressive way. It wasn't forced. It wasn't too street. It wasn't too whatever, like textbook pop star dance moves. It was just, here's like a couple hundred people genuinely having fun. I think they're being paid to have fun. I don't know how much fun they're having, but sure. Bro, they're making $300. It's not like cash out, you know what I mean? But the only downside for me was SZA. That was the only time where I was like, she didn't bring much to it, and I thought she was going to be the first guest. Yeah, the special guest promise was a lie. You bring out the little crudo sampler, and you're like, oh, this is going to be a great meal. And then they're like, and here's the check. I just don't understand. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills to not think that was amazing. I'm just like, that wasn't amazing. You can't say that. Well, do you know who is amazing, Chris? His name is Lucas, and he is our guest on today's show. His Zoom screen wallpaper maybe is his living room. Or his conversation pit. No, that's a living room. It could be a conversation pit. It could be a conversation pit. It better be his. Lucas is in a new movie called Companion that is out everywhere now, and he also has, which I'm excited about, a memoir. I wrote this for attention, which comes out in October of this year, so we've got some time for that. I want to see how his process is. Chris is a big memoir junkie. How's it going, how it's going so far? So let's give him a call. Okay. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace. Obviously, Jason, you and I spend a lot of time on the World Wide Web, sort of our peers, our listeners, our friends, our colleagues, maybe even your parents if they're freaky. And if you're doing anything in the world, writing, taking pictures. I do topless boxing. You need a website. Exactly. A website that works, that does what it's supposed to do, that allows you to be creative, but also business-minded. Jason, there's one place to go for that, Squarespace. Yeah, Chris, I'm over here. I'm modifying calculators and putting Claude inside of them so you could cheat at school. And I just want a place where I could have everything all in one place. I can have the SEO tools.

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over i think they're shut down i don't know if it's a real thing anymore i gotta keep it a stack i gotta keep it a stack that's how little chris watches white lotus get it the fuck together i haven't seen white lotus i gotta be honest good so look the honda fit is still at the chateau valet that's gonna really how the fuck do you know i have a honda fit was that just a guess or do you actually know i have a honda fit I heard you mention it on a podcast that I was listening to this morning. Oh, my God. You did your research. Yeah, I still have that same Honda Fit. And I was like, I hope to God he got a new car. That was an old episode. No, I still have that Honda Fit. Okay. I've had that Honda Fit for eight years. I'm never giving her up. You're just a down-to-earth cat. That's what I like about you, bro. Beautiful. Just vaping in the Fit, man. Nothing crazy. Nothing crazy going on here. Nothing to see here. Nothing too crazy. Tell me about the sticker story on the Fit. What do we got on there? I have one sticker that says my cat is my best friend. What else? That's the most Honda Fit-ass sticker I've ever heard in my life, bro. It's completely... Well, I tried to pimp it out, so I put in, like, red racing car seats and, like... the darkest tint you can do on the windows. My bad. I'm sorry. I didn't know we were talking to someone who likes to stunt. Are you racing the fit or is it just... I like to stunt. I love Fast and the Furious. What do you got under the hood, Lucas? What do you got under the hood of this Honda Fit? Listen, I was really inspired by Fast and the Furious 4 to be specific. That's not Tokyo. Which one is that? No, that's not Tokyo Drift. Might be. No, it's all good. It's all good. It's hard to keep up. There's so many of them. It's one of the ones with Vin Diesel. Sure. All the time. Number four. Where's the one with Vin? That's a good call. Now, why haven't you upgraded to a black 3 Series like the rest of the assistants at your agency? Or is that... Are you different? I'm different than the other girls. They all have a Tesla. When I looked in the parking lot, I'm the only one with a fucking shitty car. But I just don't give a shit. I hate driving. And I'm a horrible driver. So, I don't know. I kind of...

I like the one. I think it's cool. I respect it. I think that the car culture in L.A. quickly brainwashes you into thinking you need an orange G-Wagon, and you don't. No, you don't. You just don't. You definitely don't. Maybe y'all don't, but I live in Glendale, where there's a big Armenian community, so the lifestyle of having a sort of dilapidated two-bedroom home. with a rolls royce parked in the driveway is sort of i've absorbed that identity so orange g-wagon i'm like what kind of shoes can we put on it etc etc but but you so you went to the premiere of white lotus yesterday and you're like yeah i love hollywood movie premieres i have social anxiety maybe i'm gonna get wasted obviously we're celebrating the biggest show on television that i am in yes i better drive my car i'm not even in it i'm not even in this season i just they still invited you though they still invited me you know i was just hoping that they'd bring me back for another you died right you died on the show i don't die i i'm one of the few that not one of the few there's one death per season but i i don't die but every season there's a new cast um but they kind of are starting to you know switch people around but i some of the actors that were like the boom you know yeah like the five boom actors they're gonna stick around for the other one so so why didn't you just take an uber there is what i want to know well i drove to my my it's such a bad story but i drove i'm sorry we don't have to say it if it's a bad story no no no no it's good i like this is what i like by your podcast like it just you guys talk about absolutely anything that's why my background noise every day i fucking love it um my man yeah i love you guys i fucking love you man I had a meeting here before, and then my manager had clients in this season, so we rode together. Awkward. Yeah, it was kind of embarrassing. Manager, fucking loser. Now, did you wear your own clothes, or were you dressed for this premiere? I was dressed. Let's not get crazy. Let's not get too crazy. Come on. What season, Jacquemus, was it? What was I wearing last night? I wore the row.

Last night. There we go. Okay, nice. I like it. Just something simple. Just something clean. Something plain and casual. If you were in this season, what would you have worn, though? Oh, fuck. If I was in this season, I'd wear probably like... Get the little Prada Flame shirt from the RealReal. He's got the Jeff Goldblum special from the RealReal. Get the COVID Jeff Goldblum Prada shirt out. I got the Banana Prada shirt. I just got a RealReal sale this morning. Let's go through it. $1.80. Wow. What was this item? I mean, it was Rowing Blazers, but my commission is $1.80. This is the bravest thing anyone's ever done on this podcast. Bro, I made more money off of a fucking Goyard paperclip than that, bro. That's really funny. Shots of Rowing Blazers. They come and pick up my wife's stuff frequently, and then when they return it, can't they keep it? I obviously don't want it. That's why I gave it to you. Donate it. You mailing it back to me and it's all packaged in plastic and folded. I'm like, you've already done all the work. Just get rid of it. I know. And they're like, we don't accept this brand. It's a little bit too scratched or a little too dirty. It's really cool to try to put them onto a brand. Yeah. To be like, oh, you don't know? Oh, that's crazy. You don't know that? That's actually crazy. You don't know that? I actually, speaking of that, on Amazon, an example of a company where they're like, eh, just keep it. They're doing quite well. The real, real. I hope they never die, but it's any day now for them, for all of these practices that we're discussing. But I ordered windshield wipers. It's been raining in LA. You guys know that. Yeah. And they arrive, and it's the single blade. Like, I got a fucking Cybertruck or something like that. I got two. I'm a grown man. I got two wipers on my shit. I go to return it, and I'm like, I got to go to Whole Foods and wait in the line. And they're like, Amazon literally says, just keep it. Don't even bother returning it. It's yours. And they just credited my account. And they do that. I'm going to talk some shit about Amazon right now. Amazon, when I had my preorder, speaking of my book, not to drop my book, they said, okay, we're going to announce your book, preorder. Amazon.

fucking drop the ball and my pre-order announcement no one could buy the book like you're saying you made the announcement the announcement was out it's in all yeah and they were like it's gonna be ready this day on amazon everyone i All these messages, it took them like a week to figure it out. So Amazon's on my shit list right now. So you had the drop date. It was already all over everywhere. Already all set up. But I appreciate that you know that people buying your book are going to Amazon. They're not going to bookshop.org. I'm not going to Barnes & Noble or fucking bookshop. So I really, really lost all the sales. That is the funny part. On the downside, I did lose thousands of sales. That is unfortunate. But we're going to get all those sales back right here today. Don't worry. That's why I dropped it. That was just me trying to be subtle about it. I saw that the book was coming, so it's done. It is in production. It's been approved. Your draft is approved. It's done. It's going through legal right now. Okay. Now, are we naming names? No, no, no. I'm not naming names or anything like that. I keep it. Oh, okay, pussy. I thought you were a real one. Listen, I have. No, I'm just kidding. You don't want to get sued. You don't want to get sued. I can't get sued again. I absolutely can't. But also, I'm sure that some of the, I mean, a good, if it involves your childhood, a good bulk of these names are your literal, like, blood relatives, so you don't necessarily want to throw them under the bus quite as much as, you know. somebody that did you dirty in 2014 you know right it's more of like like when i sold adderall and xanax and like drugs when i was in ninth grade like is that going to be traced back to any like criminal case or you know what i mean i was literally talking to my friend rose crayons yesterday about legal stuff in books and he was saying like if there's anything illegal happening or someone else could be implicated just change the name anything else is a case-by-case basis but that is like a pretty understandable ground rule. 100%, yeah. All names and dates have been a little bit shifted to...

What does Julia Fox say in her book to protect the guilty and the not guilty? Okay, you're young enough to have sold Adderall in ninth grade, which is very cool, I have to say. We weren't doing that. When I was in ninth grade, I don't think I knew what Adderall was. You were selling acid. You were selling the normal, cool stuff. Ninth grade, we were just like, what if you smoke that banana peel? Maybe you'll get a head change. And then you were like, so I have an IV drip with ketamine going in. I'm 12. Were you profitable or were you kind of dipping into your own stash? No, I was profitable. I mean, I lived in San Diego. We would drive down to Tijuana, so we had a whole system going where we'd go to the pharmacies and we'd drive back. We'd go at our lunch during school. We'd go to Tijuana and then come back and sell it to the girls. I'd go to Taco Bell. You went to the fucking source. You went to the fucking cartel. There is something diabolical about it. people when they turn 14 in san diego something happens there's something in the water that just turns everyone into sinister fucking nightmare really i didn't know that about i haven't spent that much time in in san diego but i i can imagine because it's so idyllic that people rebel yeah it's like very it's like hawaii with Rich kids and just too close to a border and a lot of bored. And then when Alicia Keys moved in, it really changed things, right? Her energy is dark. Her energy and Jules' energy. I know that Alicia, I saw your complaint you filed because the cause. statue they installed at Alicia's house is kind of blocking your light. And I'm sorry to hear that. I'm sorry to hear that. Okay, so your book is going through legal now. There's a decent chance there's like a cold case file from San Diego PD for like, oh, we finally got him. He admitted to everything. They've got a case a mile long. Okay. Can you walk me through Tijuana? I've never been. And I think at this point in my life, I'm probably never going to go. He's way too white. too ever ago if he hasn't been yet is it like yeah you're one to talk uh is it um is it is it uh is it like tulum vibe where it's just like a pharmacy you walk in that has like a vicodin sign out front or is it a little more yeah okay it's the same thing uh no it's probably a little bit more discreet and not in your face as tulum

is with all the you know the science but it's truly you know you could just park your car at mcdonald's at the last stop in san diego and then walk over to tijuana or you could drive over and you walk in and you just ask for what you need and you walk right out and sell it to a bunch of girls trying to Ace the SATs. Sure, sure, sure. It is incredible that you could – so you're saying what would be the differentiator between driving or walking? Just how you're feeling that day? Yeah, you wanted to get your steps in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got to close one of my rings. Well, I think the main thing is – driving back into america there's a fucking mile long line and then security is going crazy they're checking okay okay when i was uh when i was younger it wasn't uh it wasn't quite the same but i feel like it was just you know if you didn't want to deal with the traffic going back and it was it's not that far of a walk uh to get to the nearest pharmacy once you cross over and if you have like the fast pass or an american it was i don't know how it is now i haven't been there in a while but it was really easy and breezy as a kid i was hoping to say i was hoping that you had gone back to research this book like you had kind of retraced your steps a bunch of adderall up to write this book and walked all the way back one last score for the book one last score for the book I got to finish this thing. That is very Fast and the Furious 4 of you to do that, you know. You didn't do it because you loved drugs and selling it. You did it for your family. I did it. So were you doing Adderall and Xanax when you were 13, 14? No, I was like a nightmare suburban tween. I was doing ecstasy every week. I was doing, you know, all the hallucinogens and all the little. pharmaceutical pills and did the whole rehab juvie thing and hot yeah yeah it was hot you kind of i mean it was like you are pussy if you didn't go to juvie at my high school and like you would see your friends at juvie and like be like what's up man i miss you i had a girlfriend what up beast yeah i had a real prison break relationship with my girlfriend who was always in juvie she had a lower back tattoo that said trust no bitch

Um, and she was always in juvie, like in way more than me. She was the one who really kind of got me into the whole. And, uh, we would write letters to each other. I would write letters to her cause she was always in. I only went for like, I wasn't cool enough. I went for like a weekend. All right. What was she in for? The same kind of just misbehavior, like general bad stuff, misbehavior, just total. She would just like fight. fight the other girls and then like was on probate she had a we had a we went to the junior prom with her ankle bracelet on she put little flowers around it hard as a rock yeah you know that you know that meme where it's uh it's like a slutty tweety bird and it says go ahead call the cops i'll fuck them too i'm assuming she's like the physical human embodiment of that yeah that that's hard to resist at that age oh no that's at any age i've fucked up i should have i really should have kept that one was she older No, she was actually a year younger, but she was just like, she was just like, didn't give a shit. So there's a good chance she got a lower back tattoo that says trust no bitch when she was 13, 14. She would, she would have been about 14. Yeah. And, and okay. Do you know where she is today? Yeah. We still talk. We still talk. Let's bring her out. Get on the couch. That's actually a great story. Does she have two kids living in the suburbs? Is she still a wild child? She has four kids now. Same guy or different guys, do you think? I don't know. All I know is when I married a guy, she was like, you ain't gay. The text was, you ain't gay when you were eating this pussy. Shit! Damn, she is a real one. She's a real one. She's a real one. That is the coolest text I've ever heard anybody send, baby. The coolest text I've ever gotten, ever. Oh, man, that's too good. Especially for a text to be sent, a text of that caliber, a mother of four sending that out. She's iconic. She was ahead of her time. She really was. What's her at, though?

I've got to protect your identity. Just send me the app. Bro, she's private. What the fuck? Now, do you keep up with people from that era, or is this kind of the one? You do. Okay, so you still talk to the homies from high school. Oh, yeah. I was best friends with these twins since middle school, and I'm still best friends with them now. What's the name of your group chat? Oh, God, it's such a crazy name. Okay, the name of our group. The name of our group chat, I'm not even kidding, is The Curious Case of the Poopy Peppermill. That is twisted. Yeah, it's twisted. Okay, what do these guys do for a living? I don't mean to gender them, but... Sounds like a Nicki Minaj song. It really is. A Nicki banger. What did they do? One works at Whole Foods, and the other one is like a holistic... I don't know. She got her philosophy. I don't really know what she does. Two of the most San Diego-esque jobs you could ever have. Yeah, basically. I'm a holistic something-something. I work at Whole Foods, baby. I'm a holistic nutritional therapist. Both of those jobs you can blaze on your lunch at, and it's totally fine. Exactly. Exactly. It's all good. It's all good, man. It's all good. That's nice, though, that you keep in touch, because I feel like sometimes... When you go Hollywood, no pun intended in this case, people like that are kind of like, all right, big dog. Right. You know what I'm saying? You forgot about us, but you kept it real. No, I kept it. I mean, look, I have my Hollywood friends too, but I have my real ones from San Diego that everyone up here loves them. Oh, so you mix groups. You introduce these civilians to some of your more Hollywood. So Kim Petras is like, oh, you work at Whole Foods. That's fun. I've been to Whole Foods. I love their bulk items. Okay. Going back, speaking of these old school homies, you said you were doing ecstasy on a weekly basis. I know a lot of people who are doing the same.

At that age, you may have been a little too young to be going to EDC and raves. Okay, okay. So I was wondering if you were just doing it at your friend's house and having a jack-off party, or were you raving at that age? No, we were doing sleepovers and jerking each other off. But then we would go to EDC when it was in L.A. and the Coliseum when I was like 14. Well, EDC doesn't happen every weekend. Yeah, exactly. We got to make do. We had time on our hands. Yeah, we had a lot of time. Okay. Yeah, no, we did it. We did it so often. So ecstasy party, one of your friends got the hot tub, you got the menthol cigs, vapor rub, it's all. Camel crushes, vapor rubs, bear hugs, light shows, all that. Cuddle puddles. What's a bear hug, if you don't mind me asking? A bear hug is like when you hyperventilate and someone holds you up and sweeps with you until you pass out and you wake up 10 seconds later. It's kind of like poppers, but making someone pass out. It's physical poppers. Physical poppers. Okay, I know what you're talking about. I never heard it referred to as a bear hug. Bear hug makes it sound extremely gay, I will say. Where the fuck were you in high school? It's pretty gay that you don't know that. I didn't do drugs until I was 20. In high school, I was... Loser? Yeah, basically. No, you were a normal person. You waited to the right time. I don't know. There was something... I think your generation, because you're probably like... 10 or more years younger than jason and i if not more you're what you're like 30 29 you got it jason yeah yep so we're in our early 40s our weirdly i think your generation did more drugs at a younger age than ours did yeah yeah i think so too and honestly uh by the time i was 20 i was i was over it like i was just i never really fucked around um i mean a little dabbling here and there but i didn't i was kind of just done i was i did it all were you not like a drama geek in high school you know it was weird i i was embarrassed that i did drama and i would do it at a different school because you're cool that makes sense yeah at least you knew you had you had self-awareness i had a reputation to keep up as like the head honcho drug dealer of school so i would do theater in the school next door and then but i remember when i did a warts commercial this is a young adult novel right ready to happen really what commercial did you do i'm sorry i did a warts commercial and it's like

The Blemish? Compound W. Throw your dubs up. Not genital warts. Throw your dubs up. Three problems up. And then I didn't think about it, but then it started airing on TV, and then I was just destroyed at school for a year. Sophomore year, people were like... What did they call you, Lucas? What was the nickname? This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's trying to slow down. The news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. A lot of questions. But how often? Because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Three times a week. And I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess. The Guardian is not some billionaire owned. They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? Especially when it's not from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. Hi, Talk House Network listeners. It's your old friend, Nels Klein from Wilco here. Wilco is touring this summer, and we'd love to see you somewhere on the road. We're playing shows this June and July in Rochester Hills, Michigan, Chautauqua, New York, Lafayette, New York, Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, Vienna, Virginia, Forest Hills, New York, Portland, Maine, Tulsa, Oklahoma, Memphis, Tennessee, LaGrange, Georgia, Charleston. South Carolina, Virginia Beach, Virginia, Wheeling, West Virginia, and Columbus, Ohio. Plus, there are even more dates, some with Willie Nelson that I didn't even mention here. So please go to wilkoworld.net to see the full list of dates. We'll see you on the road this summer. This episode is brought to you by Prime. What if you had one more chance with the one that got away? Sam, you came home.

based on the best-selling novel from Carly Fortune. Every year after follows childhood friends Sam and Percy as they reunite in the dreamy, nostalgic lakeside town of Berries Bay. Love can be hard to find. So if you're lucky enough to find that person, never let go. A second chance at first love. Every year after, streaming June 10th, only on Prime. Genital warts, or general warts instead of genital warts. General, yeah. A little Camp Pendleton energy to it, has a military angle. Exactly, a lot of Camp Pendleton. I mean, I feel like there's several. I feel like there's always that thought when you see ads like that where it's something very negative and there's like an actor that was so happy to get this part and had paid their rent for six months. But then you don't think about the downside of having to go back to high school and kind of having that pinned to you. I was destroyed. for about a year so yeah that war money you're like that's a lot of teslas i could buy and flip i'm i could be a lot of teslas okay speaking of cam pendleton living so close to the marine base down in san diego yeah over under how many of them were down low i feel like they're all on grinder uh the whole base well we have the whole base and then you have uh blacks beach in la jolla the only nude i think the only nude beach in california yeah yeah So you would think, I mean, from what I've heard, Jason, I church you off there. So Jason's like, I've only heard of it. I've never been there. I don't hands a hand, brother. Hands a hand at the nude. The nude beaches is a fascinating part of gay culture for me personally. I've never been to one because I'm afraid. But I is this or they're like. Are there cavernous areas where you can take cover? Or is it all out in the open? Yeah, there's a section. You need a wristband? You need a wristband to get a VIP. But it's not all dudes. European-leaning women are allowed as well. For sure.

Look, if you go to a nude beach, you're going to see fat chicks and hot gay guys. There ain't no women that you want to look at. No, that's not true. I've been to a couple, and they got a couple dimes there. Not in San Diego, I'm saying. Maybe in France. Probably in France would be more of a hit. Yeah, maybe in France. I think I've seen some Hawaiian titties. I was looking good. I went to one of those. Some Hawaiian titties? That's right. Hell yeah. Hell yeah, brother. Yeah, yeah. Love some Hawaiian tatsunas. They've been tan longer than you've been alive, that kind of action. That's what I'm looking for. That's what I'm looking for. Okay, it's called Black's Beach, though. That's obviously a name that speaks to me. Yeah, I mean, listen, Chris Black needs to get his ass over there. Don't bring my ass into this. You know that is not what needs to get over there. Your ass won't be out. Nah, nah, nah. Full coverage. Face up. Full coverage. Okay, so when you're down in Black's Beach, you see a lot of kind of military-issue boots. with the little socks rolled up kind of thing yeah there's a bit of that but there's also the i think it's the biggest gay porn uh city is san diego where they film all the gay porn so there's a lot of porn stars there's a lot of uh military people and there's a lot of straight couples so it's a very it's an eclectic group of people and then there's just like surfers that are just surfing naked and for no reason wow Well, if you actually tried it, then you would know the reason. It feels fucking amazing. Feels fucking so good with your dick up against that board, brother. Oh, man. That wax took on a whole new meaning. That wax takes on a whole new meaning. Damn, San Diego is fascinating. I have to say, I haven't thought about it this much, but I've been a couple times, and it seemed just like a... very pretty kind of beach town. Yeah. And it sounds like there's a dark underbelly. There's a dark underbelly for sure. There is. I think it's better now. When I go down there, it feels very clean and like Comic-Con-y and cookie cutter. Is your family still there? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, my mom's still there. My mom and my brothers are all there. So everybody's holding it down. Yeah, they're holding it down. They never left. You haven't had to move any of them into Hollywood yet? They hate it here. Oh, it's like that. It's on site. They hate it. There's like a real San Diego thing of like, oh, you moved to LA, like you pussy, like, you know. Well, I mean, if my son was going to horses in Erewhon, I'd call him a pussy too. So I don't, I mean, I kind of, I got to get it. Yeah. Like, we're even going to get bomb ass fish tacos in fucking LA, bro. Honestly, that is for, that's real. The tacos down there, the Mexican food down there is insane. Is it really that good? Is it really that good? It's that good. It's actually that good. And people that claim that there's good places in L.A. are absolutely insane. Slow down. Slow down now, brother. Okay. You have a taco place in Glendale that's going to blow my mind? I didn't say Glendale. I said L.A. Where? But, I mean, I'll talk off record. I'll give you some spots. I don't want to blow it up. San Diego obviously has amazing Mexican food, especially seafood. tacos el gordo the closer you go down to the border it's going to get better yeah but i mean la it's you know la just has the some of the best mexican chefs in the world flying to la to make the mexican food okay we have a lot of stuff that's non-coastal related stuff going on you know but both places good but i i was talking about like the cal like california burritos fish tacos is very um orange county yeah which which i can relate which is why we have a common bond And we also have another common bond. Orange County is sort of the home of like the pimp and hoe ball kind of Pam and Tommy energy. Yeah. That you were wearing some big kind of furry coats. Maybe there's a shirt underneath. Maybe there isn't. I hate you so much, Jason. I fucking hate you. I want you dead. Listen, I wouldn't. I was manic. I did not know how to dress for a long time. Just don't pull up those pics. To me, it works. If you're the type of guy who's like, I'm wearing a big furry coat, like a satiny kind of shirt or anything, whether or not it's good or bad fashion, you're like, I had this shit on, and you couldn't even begin to think about considering wearing something like this.

for multitudes of reasons i'm at least attempting it and i i applaud that i think it's cool i don't i don't applaud it thanks maybe maybe drugs were in play in the mental who knows they for sure were uh okay so you were dressing like that how long were you dressing like that you know i had a i had a little experimental not experimental drugs experimental by doctor with pharmaceuticals for uh a personality okay like a real like a real doctor yeah like a real thing and your personality became pam and tommy by accident it became i was like rock of love you were you were taking some pills that we can't pronounce is what you're saying i was like i suddenly like watched all of rock of love and like was obsessed with brett michaels again and i was like great show great show i want to dress again i mean i mean one of the best reality shows ever made i think it's your mad man's i feel like i told jason this but i have memories of kind of I feel like seeing you and your ex at Whole Foods, at Erwan, and, like, the looks are, even for them, extreme. Even for that situation, extreme. But there's a lot of extreme looks there. You know what I mean? Really? Yeah. Really? Yeah. But you saw me in the Whole Foods? At Erwan, I believe, yeah. Erwan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you guys had, like, a dog, and there were some teenagers. It was, like, a whole thing. And I was, like, carrying, like, three, like. stray husky puppies on her shoulders but i was like damn this is lit because i kind of agree with jason to an extent like if you're gonna do it fucking do it and there's no better place in hollywood that that's where that's where it's accepted you're you're flying where only eagles dare as they say because i feel like looking at you right now you look extremely normal like you look you look like any other guy i know in a good way thank god you found the row thank god i found the row I would love a brand deal. And you're able to afford it, sort of. Yeah, yeah, kind of. I mean, I'll use the stylus to get me. But yeah, no, I think it's... God, it's one of those scenarios where I look back and I truly don't know that person. And it's cool and it's funny and it's like... Yeah, yeah. It would have been more dope if there weren't 10,000 photos of it.

It would have been more dope if it wasn't so, like, publicly documented. And part of that is for sure my fault. And a little bit of, like, me rebelling against people, like, telling me on Twitter, like, fuck you for taking gay parts. And I was like, all right, I'll show you how gay I can be. Okay, so I just want to understand. I just want to understand. Damn, don't test me. People would like if I did that too because they'd be thinking the same thing about me. So that's like when I eat the habanero pepper to impress the Mexican homies. Exactly. You did that with a dick. I did that with a dick on the internet and on reality TV. Okay, but I just want to understand. So you were just having fun. Yeah, no, that was all an eye. Okay. No, I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. Okay, but are you currently dating men or women? Yes. I'm currently open. Okay, so you're down for whatever. I think what Jason said, a hand is a hand. Okay, so that's your... No, I'm definitely more gay-leaning, but I'm also like... I miss titties sometimes. I don't know. I just feel like I'm kind of like... You're doing anything in the world but saying I'm bi. Because there's a stigma attached to being bi, right? He knows that bi is fake. I know that bi is fake. I know that I'll get dragged. So I'll just say that, like, I'm mostly gay, but, like, I'm down. Like, you'll, you know, I have fun in others. But is this something that you discovered as an adult? No, the thing is, like, I had girlfriends until I was 20, or 19. And I loved them, and then I, like, fell in love with one of my neighbors. then who was a guy and then i was like fuck i'm gay i'm gay like how did i not know how was i not like i wish i knew i was closeted i i truly like maybe repressed it so long when i was with uh my girl trust no bitch that and other girlfriends that i just didn't didn't pop into my head and then yeah and then i kind of like just dabbled in both all all the last

you know whatever eight years and then it's nice that you're from a generation that's cool with that you know what i'm saying yeah no it's for real i mean imagine if it was 10 years earlier it would have been fucking destroyed it's been tough for chris it's been a tough go for him he's been really it's been really hard for me thank you jason thank you jason everyone go back i'm always around to help you out you know that's actually really sweet i know it's been hard for you i i like this story though because i think this is a more modern i just feel like i don't hear this kind of stuff spoken about that often, but it's probably a very common thing. It probably happens more often than we realize. I think probably in LA and New York, but I don't think, I don't know. I feel like if you go to middle America, it's definitely not and people would just completely not understand it. But I feel like there's a lot of friends of mine that were straight and then I get a text or a call being like, dude, I really don't know what to do. I'm curious. And I'm like, are you trying to hook up or what? And he's like, no, no, no. I'm just getting your advice. You asking in general, or are you talking about my hand specifically? My hand. Me specifically. Because otherwise, you're kind of wasting my time right now. But all this stuff is great for book writing. I will say that. I mean, having bleach blonde hair and wearing like an open top is what I want to read about. Bleach blonde and straightened hair. Because you do have a nice natural curl, so you were straightening this. Yeah. That's what bi will do to you. That's what bi will do to you. It'll mess up that beautiful, you have perfect hair right now. Yeah, amazing hair. And the bi in you made you straighten it and go blonde. Fucking shouldn't have fucked with it. I don't know. I feel like it's not to, you know, not take any responsibility because it was fully my choice and I was having fun and all that stuff. But there is something like when I was, you know, trying different medications that made me. like completely do manic things where i threw away all my clothes and like got all new clothes and straightened my hair and dyed my hair and like was like just like had no perception of who the fuck i was that's that's a that's a scary thing because it was because you weren't aware of that while it was happening obviously i had no idea when you're looking back you realize this i mean i i see pictures and videos of me

And I'm like, there's nothing behind my eyes. There's a film over my eyes. I'm not in my body. I'm completely somewhere else. And the people in your life, do you think they didn't realize this? No, they did. Okay, they did. Oh, they all were like, what the fuck is going on with you? You're not well. And I'm like, fuck you. I'm happy. No one gets me. And then I got off the drugs or got on the right amount of drugs. You know, you go to a doctor and they just throw you like five medications and you're like, you know, you just go on a spiral. So I got on the right ones and then it's suddenly in a way less, a way smaller, smaller, light, light dose. And I got back to myself. Is that something that like you wake up one day and you're like, what? just happened like were you like did you when you kind of when you came to were you cognizant of that like what happened yeah i kind of like raw dogged it at first and just like threw away everything and found myself on the back of like 16 huskies in iceland and like had this moment of clarity like what the fuck has the last year of my there was also like the strike was happening all this stuff was like so i had no work and um i just had all this free time to just be insane and travel the world and like try to be 40 different people in one yeah when when a crazy bitch doesn't have a job to do it's not good it's bad those idle hands will do the devil's work exactly damn well during during the the peak moment of this mania i'm curious what music you were listening to what were you bumping in the fit you know what's so funny i went back to all like my like my teenage punk middle school like i was back to like do you remember the band of distillers of course yes of course brody brody and the distillers yes i like wanted to be brody again i was like should i die my hair black and get a lip ring brody who did brody date jason the queens of the stone age josh so yeah they were actually she's a good like bi heartthrob because like yeah she is the gays and the and the girls are kind of they love her

yeah no i was like back to that like dead kennedy's buzzcocks um i was into blondie again i was into like but i was also into like no so not ava max not oh my god there is one ava max song that i love i mean that song slapped yeah you know okay Do you know the one I'm talking about? The hit is the one. You mean her one song? It was big at SoulCycle. Sweet But Psycho? Sweet But Psycho. That is a smash. That is a fucking banger. There was a lot of that, and there was a lot of Lana Del Rey, too. A lot of Lana. It's the poetry album, though. No one listened to that. Wow, you're actually deep. You're different than the other guys. I am different than the other girls. I told you in the beginning of this podcast. I told you. I told you. Jason, I'm glad you asked that because I wonder if I was in a similar position, I wonder what music I would revert to or discover. That's an interesting thing to consider because I feel like maybe going back to stuff that you listened to when you were younger was comforting subconsciously. Yeah, I mean, I think part of this book, too, I saved all my journal entries, which were insane because they're all warped and delusional and consistently lying throughout my whole entire life. And I don't know what my point was. But I think, yeah, I think maybe there was something that brought me back to my old days of... being in like this little middle school punk band and trying to also shape shift to find who i was like i think it was just me repeating the same pattern that i did 10 plus years later but yeah a little more publicly this time a little more a little more publicly a little bit more i love it look bro i love it i think it's also like you have a good attitude about it it's like kind of now that it's passed it's like it's kind of funny like it's fine that's how you have to look at stuff like that like that's how you have no it is funny It's the same thing about when I was a kid and I was a fucking nightmare and I was wild and drank too much and did too many drugs. But I'm proud of that kid. And if I was a more meek, quiet, obedient pussy, I don't think I would have been able to pull off what I pulled off. And I think when I look back at that year, I'm like, I don't know. It's just like...

It is funny, I guess is what I'm trying to say. Now, that year, I just, not to get into the weeds here, but did you spend a lot of money? Oh, yeah. Okay. I mean. It looked expensive. It was. You know what I'm saying? That's all I'm saying. It looked expensive. To be, to work so hard to pay off my credit card debt and all my debt of living in L.A. and having no money, then finally having money and then throwing it all away again was. yeah it was part of part of the mania yeah it was expensive yeah yeah yeah yeah it was expensive it was expensive so so now i mean i guess there's there's often a lot of hate when a young person writes a memoir for sure why do we have to read you know you're you're you're not even fucking 30 yet bro i'm not gonna read this shit i think in the last half an hour we've learned that you've got this is just chapter one or this is just part one. You can write another second memoir. Enough shit has happened to you in your short life. You've got our stamp of approval. Thanks, man. I agree. I'm like, why should I have one? I thought of the book title. I wrote this book for attention before I wrote it. I was like... that's just a really funny title and i so i went to go sell it as essays and then they were like you know you can make twice as much with all that money you spent on your marriage with a memoir and then they're like and you can make four times as much if you talk about the divorce and you're like slow down slow down i now did you have this so you had the idea to write the book this didn't a publisher wasn't or an agent or someone in contact with you no it wasn't like after anything i was already writing it before the divorce stuff so it's like it really is honestly not so much about any of that shit it's more really the childhood teen yeah crazy years it's not it was like it's your covid project and then when the strike happened you were able to get a good chunk of it done probably yeah yeah yeah yeah remember the strike yeah the strike is so

So insane. Did you have to go pick it and shit? Yeah. And then I had to like shut down a movie and do it like a year. It was like COVID. I did a show and then I had to come back a year later. So I opened the door a year older and I did a movie a year prior and then would be like walking to the next scene a year older. It's just funny. I didn't think about that. Yeah. Because things just stopped in like the middle. I mean, things are just done. We like dropped the camera the second it happened. Mid take was like everyone stop. It was like. literally they treated it like it was a pandemic can you when can you when you're watching it that one year two year difference are you like can you notice it yeah i'm like you got fat in that scene yeah okay no i feel like no i feel like no one can really sell it i i can tell but no one else would i feel like yeah my hair is a little different yeah yeah um i wrote down a note that you said um or i think it was on the book to be scared of attention and to crave it at the same time it jumped out to me as something you know it it personifies a type of person yeah that i can i can relate to a little bit yeah i mean i think i came out of the womb needing attention and validation and like people to like look at me and and and that kind of transferred into being an adult and being that same little boy who needed validation and needed people to like say I was good and cute. And I still have that. But then I'm also, I'm also like really fucking scared of it. And it freaks me out. And I don't know the line of like where the public and the private intersect. And then I just kind of go either go too far in the other one direction of like being completely closed off or just throwing everything in everyone's face where it's like. they want you to just shut the fuck up so you're kind of feeling out in the dark room of where where the good healthy walls and boundaries are and where where to be how to write both those lines yeah yeah and i feel like everyone i don't know i feel like most people it's inherent to want intention and want to be told they're good and want to be validated and uh it's just yeah that balance of

what do i do for me and what's like not just for other people's approval or what other people i do this i do this thing where like i everyone i work with i just like look for daddy behind the camera every director i'm like they're my dad and they're gonna validate me and tell me that i did a good job and i'm like at a certain point i have to check myself on every job and be like this director is not your dad you don't need to tell me you're a good boy like just fucking do this for you dude directors don't seem to be like nice guys either so i feel like maybe that's you know they feel like they're barking orders which maybe is what you need i kind of do i need a lot of structure and i need a lot of orders i need to be barked at i love abuse uh no but i mike white definitely is not daddy but i mean i'm sure you've had female directors as well have you yeah put that daddy energy onto yeah daddy energy on the face it's like a place of power it's like it's a place of power you really are by son of a bitch i don't know i don't know yeah that authority figure that i'm lacking and wanting and wanting them to be for me like yeah it doesn't go away and then that daddy energy it'll move from video village into the bedroom as well i'm assuming uh or or is that when you are daddy honestly i'm becoming daddy Proud of you, Luke. Proud of you. So you see yourself morphing into daddy. That's book two. Book two title right there. I wrote this book to be a daddy. But do you like him young or is it just an attitude? I, yeah, I like it. I like all, I like all, I really, I'm not age, but I don't make me pick. He said, don't make me pick. I think getting older that I'm suddenly like, I, I think when I was younger, there was a weird, you know, cause my dad dipped out. There was like, I was looking for an older male figure to be kind of like a, a mentor kind of, it got really skewed and weird and a romantic way maybe. And then I think now as I get older, I'm suddenly like, I would love.

someone my age or someone younger would be sick someone younger and hotter than me yeah yeah that's what we all kind of look for right just across the board i think that's what humans are searching for yeah not all of them yeah younger and hotter than you someone has to be the older person of the two is what i'm saying well luckily for men aging is acceptable you know i think that's the thing is is that as we get older it's considered better And for women, it's not the same. It's better until you got a pancake ass. You know what I mean? We've all seen that Sex and the City episode. I just mean we don't want to show up looking like Tom Cruise or fucking Tom Brady. You know what I'm saying? You look better older. Lucas, did you see Tom Brady at the Super Bowl? I did. Now, you're a guy that lives in Hollywood. You know what time it is. How much work has Tom Brady... What do you think he's doing besides teeth, Botox, fillers hair is there other stuff there's veneers there's no more buckle to remove there's no more there's no more buckle fat to get rid of i don't know i feel like you know some people will i was i was with parasol last night at not name drop but i was like what the fuck did you get done like how do you look so good she looks amazing she looks amazing so fucking good she's like i swear to god i don't do botox i don't do filler i don't fuck with that shit i'm too afraid of needles like i would tell you everyone i'm friends with does i'm just a pussy I only can handle like a laser. And I'm like, maybe, maybe it's just a laser. I don't fucking know. Well, I think because Paris is pure of heart and that's why she looks so good. She really is. She is like, I also think some, I think some people like just look good because plastic surgery is so popular. We forgot about genetics. And just how sometimes people look great. You're like, well, here's my mom and here's my dad. And you're like, okay, that works too. I mean, being rich your whole life helps, obviously, because you're eating the right food, drinking the right water, you're getting the right treatments done. Red light therapy. A lot of us can afford that, that level of stuff. That's not that crazy. Going in for the $75,000 facelift and I can't see my friends for eight weeks. That's a little different. That's a different level. I think so, too. I winter in Korea. I would love to go to Korea and just get a little pick-me-up.

I don't know. Yeah, I'm big into medical tourism. I haven't done it yet, but I love the idea because I like the idea of veneers because I think they're kind of funny, but that's not why you should do something. My veneers are so crazy. I shaved my teeth down for the bit. Your veneers don't look crazy. Well, I got them normal, but, like, there's... How much did the veneers hit for, though? 30? Yeah, I think they're around 30, but I got them at first in Tijuana, which all roads lead back to Tijuana for, like... i know a guy who got him in tj's 75 hundo yeah i got him for i think it was like three to five k something like they're as white as this piece of paper literally white as a piece of paper and as long as a fucking keyboard symbol like a look i look look at photos i'm like holy fuck but i got my teeth knocked out so i had i had to get them kind of and then i got the whole mouth badass but now i'm like yeah the veneers i i go in there and i say just make it look Not insane. I don't want them to look perfect. So there is a way to do that, but people are choosing the wrong path. It's just like the tint on his Honda Fit windows. There's a scale. You can be like, bro, chill. You're not a fucking drug dealer. You're going to Whole Foods. That's so interesting to realize that people are just making that poor decision and have that bad of taste when they go in to do something like that. It's the same thing when people get tit jobs. They're like, I need... quadruple f's that's true if i'm gonna do it filler the filler i hate the filler is like i think the devil when i see people get filler i've been i've been guilty of trying it and then dissolving it because it looks like a fucking alien um i just think it makes people look horrific and no one should get it you've got some really nice natural buccal fat in there let's keep it all okay i know i'm like i got fat cheeks i don't want to no you look youthful you look youthful yeah no it's good something we strive for Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You'll grow into those cheeks. I'll get some jawline behavior and some cheekbone behavior like you guys. Yeah, you just got to chew this gum. It doesn't have any flavor. It's got on you. Yeah, if you go on Reddit, there's some pages that will tell you how to do it. I've looked. I use mouth tape too now. Oh, nice. You know, I don't.

but it's mainly because I just haven't bought it. Like I'm not opposed to it, but I haven't gone on Amazon. Cause I know Jason, I know you use like regular, just 3M tape. You can get it like, that's what I use. I got the roll. Yeah, me too. The blue roll, right? Blue roll. And it's cool when you do it at night, when you rip it, if you look, pay very close attention, you'll see little lightning sparks. Okay. Now who's on drugs? When you're, when you're tearing, when you're tearing it, this is with or without an edible. When you tear that medical tape, there's all these little tiny, explosions that emit a small amount of light. That sounds crazy. Maybe less than healthy, I feel like, if that's happening. It feels like there's metals involved. It's just a simple physical reaction. Oh, okay, here we go. This guy's a fucking scientist now. Well, if you look at the atom... I'm not fucking splitting the atom here. It's the stuff you learn in eighth grade, bro. But I did adopt the... The breathe right strip when I'm not feeling well or am on a plane. That I do really believe in. Yeah. I want to wear it to the gym, but I don't want to wear it. I can't be seen. I can't do that at the gym. You can do it. Why not? It looks cute. People like it. Lucas, you probably go somewhere private. You know, I'm at Equinox. The rest of these losers. I'm at Equinox. West Hollywood or Hollywood? He can't really say. I can't do West Hollywood. It's too scary. No, I can't really say. Too scary? What do you mean? I don't go in the steam room. No, I know. I know. I know. It's not that. It's just too many people I can't face from day to day. That makes sense. That I do understand. He goes to the gym to do work, not to fucking be like, hey. I go to the gym to get jacked. Yeah, I mean, you're a celebrity. You can't just go anywhere and do whatever. It's probably a little bit of a pain, yes. I'm not a celebrity. I'm like a B-list. B-list. I'll say B-plus. West Hollywood Equinox is the guys from Oppenheimer Group. Oppenheim Group. Jason. The little guys. The gay guy who's married to the woman on the show that's, like, foreign. Romaine. Yeah, Romaine. Romaine, who's...

The gayest guy I've ever seen in my life. And then also Will Ferrell. There'll be an occasional A-list. Or an occasional Shawn Mendes. Yes, yes. Occasional Bieber. No, if I saw Shawn Mendes, you know, I'd fan out. I can't. You'd be getting the fucking steam room. Shawn's high on our list of how long gone guests that we need. He's iconic. And when Chris says how long guests that we need, he means guys he wants to fuck. Yeah. No, I think Shawn Mendes is a great talent. I do too. I think that he's a great Canadian, which you know I like, Jason. He's done so much. But yeah, that Equinox is a fucking absolute terrible place. But I like to go for the reasons that you don't like to go. For jerking off? No. You like to just go to the steam room? No. I've never been in a public steam room. I don't do that. I'll do it at a spa, but I don't do it at a gym. It's gross. Yeah, yeah. I'm the same. If I got to wear sandals. It's the same way he can't go into a candy store. I can't help himself. He doesn't trust himself. I had to go to Bodega today. I was shaking. You went in for a David protein bar. You came out with some Kinder Eggs, didn't you? I'm like, not the Haribo. I was shaking. Look like I got a stroke. Well, let's talk about Companion as we're closing out. Normally, when people come in the pod, they're pushing one thing. You got two things in motion right now, which is big for you. I think I read Companion. was the first Hollywood red carpet to happen after all the wildfires, and I just wanted to know, how do you sleep at night doing something like that? Well, you know, my co-star lost his house in the fire, so you fucking assholes. And he was able to make it to the premiere, I bet. And he was able to make it to the premiere. You didn't have anywhere else to go. Jason, come on. Sorry. Where did you guys, where did you shoot the movie? We shot in upstate New York.

There's a veneer change midway through the movie, too. If you look carefully, there's some crazy veneers first half. But it works well. I can't say why it works well. It works great for the character. Do you see the movie? Do you think that Companion, could you sort of loosely describe it as like a Gen Z ex machina kind of vibe? Yeah, I think so. I think it's like... Gen Z, millennial, more Gen Z, probably like her and Ex Machina. So it's like a sex robot and it gets sort of jailbroken. Yeah, there's three couples that go on a trip to a cabin, or not a cabin, a mansion, and they... are going for a weekend getaway and one person is not who they say they are or not maybe human and uh there's a little glitch in the system and shit goes down i hate when there's a i hate when there's a glitch how many how many years until this happens in real life until somebody is like we got the we're going to p-town we got the airbnb and then one person tries down killer the p-town somebody tries to sneak their bottom in and everyone's like i think that's a robot and then they're like okay you got me i mean i'm joking but oh you know 10 years 10 years away yeah like five yeah i would say five to ten yeah i feel like it's not too far those tesla guys are gonna be mad at me but steven is a robot and i just wanted to let you guys know That's why he hasn't been eating much. It's why he hasn't had a bite of food this whole trip. It's funny. He knows you've been judging him. He's not super hungry. No. Skinny as a needle. On that subject, lastly, we've been talking a little bit about people fasting. There's a trend of people fasting on like taking one day a week, like Sundays off in the style of Judaism or something. Yeah. Is that something that's run across your radar? yeah yeah i would do it i like to i like to just like i like to do this thing where i like don't drink water for a couple days just to see what happens um so it kind of like is the same thing a little bit just to see like how dehydrated i could look and oh so you're saying you want to lose as much water weight as you can before the red carpet correct correct yeah okay so this is the stuff that people do when they stop taking drugs they're like how can i get a head change like i used to get

Yes. I'll not drink water. So how shredded do you get? I mean, just as a side note, how does it look? Is there a transformation? There's a transformation if you need to take your shirt off and you don't want to work out. Okay, but how many days do you have to not drink water to see results? Oh, that's it. Like the night before. you just like sip it and the day of you just kind of don't do it till you're done with the scene okay and do you do like 20 push-ups off camera off camera before you hop in effron style yeah maybe i feel like at that point you're yeah maybe a little pumped to get in but i feel like the best thing to do i i'm not i'm not committed enough to go shaman work out that clean or eat that clean all the time so yeah i'll just starve myself from water you're like you don't really have to do any push-ups or pull-ups when you just don't drink water when you when you kill yourself for two days exactly the results speak for themselves there's no reason to fucking get on the floor exactly yeah no i've everyone's talking about it and they feel so good when they do it they feel so clear-headed So maybe I should try it. I don't think I'll feel clear-headed, but I think I should try it because I like to push myself to extremes. Should we try it? I think just more so looking at it from like a monthly instead of a daily or a weekly. Like if you just don't eat for four days out of 30, that's whatever, 8,000, 10,000 calories per month that you're not eating. And that's a couple pounds right there a month, right? Yeah. Why not? I'm no nutritionist. I'll find a way to replace it on those other days, I'm sure. But yes, in theory, Jason, that's how it should work. Yeah. Oh, I love dessert. Lucas, thank you for joining us. Thanks for having me. Next time we'll come on, we better be absolutely, completely parched and starving from our experiment. Yeah, don't worry. All right, next time we podcast, we'll all fast and not drink for the day before, and then we'll come in and talk about it. That's a great idea. How Long Gone is here. Yeah. So Kendrick Lamar is in the news. This episode of How Long Gone really sucks. I guess these guys need to eat to be funny. I learned don't sleep on water. Okay, so Companion is in theaters now. Yes, Companion is in theaters now. Check it out. Is it playing in Glendale? Probably.

it's playing glendale you got to check it out please and i will order my book because amazon fucked up pre-order his book it's i'll get i'll pre-order my copy to support the cause lucas great job today we appreciate you taking the time hope you had fun thanks bro thank you guys i really appreciate it i love you guys this podcast love you bro Fred Meyer makes it easier than ever to satisfy all your protein and fiber needs with our exclusive brands. Now you can find these extra benefits in the foods you already know and love. Snack smarter with Simple Truth Protein Salsa Verde tortilla chips or grab a Simple Truth Protein Energy Bar or flavored protein water when you're on the go. Stop by Fred Meyer and discover new favorites today. Fred Meyer, fresh for everyone.