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All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcasts. or watch on YouTube. Ho, ho, how long gone Christmas spectacular. I'm here with my favorite elf, a.k.a. Mr. Jingles himself, Them Jeans. He's cleaning out gutters. He's taking out the trash. I'm sure he's wrapping presents. What can't he do? So I have not brought the trash back in yet. Same, same. To be honest, it's pissing me off. Oh, well, well, well. And also, I don't do any... This is the one thing where you and I have in common. I don't think either of us would do the wrapping anymore unless it's... for our significant unless it's for the person who does our rapping uh the person that does my rapping is to be determined i'm gonna google best rapping los angeles west hollywood and then kind of figure it out from there okay smart because you know it is one day away so Also, I've learned that you want to get the gifts wrapped early and wrapped often so you can enjoy the bounty under the tree for more than just, what, seven hours? You're a hustler. You probably don't sleep that much. You wish I cared that much about what looks good under a tree? I'm not talking about you. Okay, sure. Okay, fair. I do think that wrapping should be left to professionals, much like a lot of things in this sick, sad world. Okay.

Some people might like the tender love and care that goes into wrapping their Sonos that their parents got them, but I don't. Sometimes it's more powerful than the gift itself. Wow. Okay. Damn. Also, I said something even worse last night. I'm trying to remember what it was. I was caught up in the holiday spirit, but I think I may have said when you give somebody a gift, sometimes their thank you was a better gift. than the gift itself. Well, that was the real gift. Some people are really good at saying thank you for something that you've given them. You're not that person. I'm not that person. But those people exist out there. Don't lump me in with your non-thanking ass. I'll lump. I'm lumping. Don't lump. This is the lump. The only lump we're talking about is the coal that's in your little stocking this year for being a bad co-host. Oh, wow. I didn't know you were going to go. When I said lump, I had no idea you were going to go coal with that. Bro, I can do Christmas bars. I mean, wow. The way I like to surprise the listeners with my knowledge of football, I can also do that with Christmas words. So don't kind of limit me. Hopefully nobody from Montreal just for laughs listens to this podcast because you're improv. warwick no one i mean the next cast of snl will just be chris cecily strong left and there are rumors that i'm replacing her but i would never leave the this podcast to go do snl where does where does he pull this shit out of his ass is that good how does he do it well lauren lauren and the guys came to see me a couple times but uh they sat in the back and you know i didn't hear from him again so yeah they i heard that you biffed the first one Yeah, I biffed the first one, but they came to the first one. He came back and he did 10 minutes straight of a James Murphy impression and he slayed. And it was that moment that I knew. Actually, this morning, just as I was showering after my treadmill workout at High Matt, I was working on a bit where Ben Affleck or another kind of famous Boston resident gets dragged to a bar class.

Bah. Exactly. Because he gives you, oh, you want me to go to bah? You know, it could go on forever. I feel like there's a lot of material to mine there. Yeah, there's definitely something there. And I like that even though a lot of people in the entertainment industry and just any professional industry, you know, the emails start slowing down this time of year. You might even, you know, if you were one of the people that represent us, you might even put an out-of-office email thingy up, even though. You know and I know you don't work in an office. You work in your friend's guest bedroom. Well, no. But we can still put that up. But it's good to know all that is to say that. You're still working on your bits, even right up to the day that Kris Kringle's frosty nose tickles your doorstep. Do you think that members of the comedy community take days off? You can't turn this off. If I could turn this off, I'd have a different career. No, I do think that the out-of-office message is pretty amazing as we barrel towards the official holiday season. Yeah, go on. I just want to know who's actually... actually not looking at their email right like i know you i know you put the out of office on and the amount of responses i get after i get the out of office response means that you're looking at your email so why put it on until you're really not going to look at it but i think the the reason is and the answer is because you can't not look at your email it's it's virtually impossible to not look at your email so why why performatively put on your out of office unless it has an amazing joke in it or it has your cell phone number so I can harass you directly. What's the point? The point is that you use it as a buffer to decide whether or not this is an urgent email. And sometimes it is, but it probably won't be. So when somebody's like, hey, I was wondering if you had the time to, I could pick your brain for five minutes about nonstick cookware in the culinary space in 2024. And I'll be like, well, what's the budget? And then if the budget is no, then out of office. Bye, bitch. But if they're like, I think we have like $25,000, $26,000. And I'll be like, you know what? I am in office. Hey, babe.

Paws elf. Yeah. Paws elf in Espanol. I have to return this email. Okay. I mean, that might – I see what you mean. That could be a good use. I'm, of course, a proud member of Never Put On and Out of Office in my entire life, and I will continue that until the day my cold dead body – I think even after you die, I think there's going to be some type of situation where you're going to pass away. I'm going to send you an email just out of reflex, you know, because – What time today? What time today? Somehow you're – You're still going to respond somehow posthumously? Well, I'll be giving you signs from hell. Speaking of hell, it looked like you went to hell last night, but by choice and saw one of the worst movies ever made, Home Alone, with a live orchestra. Yeah, L.A. Philharmonic. Okay, I don't remember the soundtrack or maybe score. from a children's holiday movie. So if you could let me know what the Phil was able to bless you with, that would be great. Yeah, so Home Alone, I mean, I know you're a movie hater, but you can't say that Home Alone is one of the worst movies ever made. It's actually... No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. But Home Alone is not a movie I would ever need to see again as long as I live. You see it once as a kid, you're good. Well, the score is by John Williams. It's like a full orchestral score, probably like 10 to 15 movements, we can call them. But, you know, he's done a lot of shit, man. He's a legend, and he was there. He was in ta mode. Oh, he was going ta. Okay, so was he wearing his tails? What was the fit? Actually, he wasn't wearing tails. I mean, this motherfucker did the Jaws theme song, bro. That is sick. He did Star Wars music, Harry Potter. Jurassic Park. He's literally the god. Oh, no. I'm just saying to you that I don't think of Home Alone. The music doesn't stand out to me is what I'm saying. I guess that's the point. So did you like that boring movie, the 15th time you've seen it? Well, it's not a boring movie. Honestly, this is a movie that I've seen 500 times ever since I was a child when it came out.

It's just one of those movies that everyone has seen a zillion times and everyone knows. And I was like, I'm never going to watch this movie again. I could never watch it again. But when you're in the big Walt Disney concert hall, perfect acoustics, everyone is in the holiday spirit. They're kind of dressed up a little bit nicer, especially if you're sitting where we're sitting. It's kind of like older people, patrons of the arts kind of thing. There was a Spectrum kid sitting next to us that couldn't handle it. His mom was nice enough to tell him to go take five, do a lap. Don't call Yimmy Yayo a Spectrum kid. As a parent of a child on the Spectrum, I was able to keep my kid in line, this stinky bitch to the right of me, just letting her kid flop all over the place. I'm like, bitch, I'm in front row. You know how much these seats cost? I don't have time for this bullshit. Okay, so you paid. How much did you pay under duress for tickets to watch? Under duress? This is elective, huh? An orchestra play music while a movie played on a screen. What do we look at? What's the ticket on this? I mean, I don't remember exactly. It was... Between $150 and $200 a ticket. Okay, okay. I mean, that's not that bad. But literally, this is front row. Yeah, you were very close. I was in the second row. I saw you stunting. I could spit on the back of John Williams' head. Big ass, bald head, motherfucker. I saw you. But I've seen the movie a thousand times. I never need to see it again. But when you watch it in a theater, instead of just on TBS in your hotel room or on your mommy's couch. There is a – there's so much in the movie I forgot. But the thing that stuck with me the most is that for a dumb kids movie, in your words and not my words, the plot is rock solid. There's no part of the movie where you're like – It's not like it's challenging. They cover all their bases. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. No, like there's so – like the biggest movies of all time, there's so many holes in the plot, beeline story arcs that go nowhere, no lack of resolution. Every little bit of this dumb movie is tied up perfectly in a boat. For Christmas, I didn't ask for you to go Elvis Mitchell mode, so if you could just kind of walk it back a notch. Who's that? Who's Elvis Mitchell? It sounds like a top runway. No, he's a famous film critic. I'm sorry. Rogers and Ebert, you know, if we want to go. Okay, you said Elvis who? Elvis Mitchell. Elvis Mitchell.

You don't know Elvis Mitchell? He's an L.A. guy. Oh, KCRW guy. Yeah, I mean, I guess the only critics I know are Siskel and Ebert and the Ion Pack. I said Siskel. Yeah, Siskel and Ebert. Siskel and Ebert and Ion. Let's call the Ion Pack. We should have bought them tickets and gotten them to review this next year. That would have been good. Let's go home alone. It stinks. I mean, it does, but I'm glad that you went. I'm glad you're in the holiday spirit, and I'm sure it was worth $500 plus parking, so I'm glad you were able to give the gift. I got street parking for free. Suck it. That's nice. Suck it like Rudolph, bitch. But let's talk about the Pinot Grigio in the can. That was going for $20. No, no, no. It was not canned. Well, we rocked up, and luckily the Home Alone trivia was kind of winding down, and I was able to saddle up to the bar. And the cool part about it is you get a drink before the show starts. You have to finish it, right? So you've got to chug that hoe. But while you're paying for your drink, they're like, all right, in 59 minutes there will be an intermission. obviously the choir has to come in. It was like a hundred person choir that came in. Um, and they're like, if you want, you can write down on this card, what you want your drink to be. When you come back for the intermission, pay for it here. And it's just sitting on a table with your name next to it. So you just go up and instead of waiting in the person line, boom, you start chugging. But anyway, We could talk about this all day. We can talk about the film Home Alone all day long. We have a guest on today's show, Nomi Fry, friend of the show. She's done a live pod with us. She's done a not live pod with us. We get dinner with her. We discuss the world's politics and ills, societal norms and not norms. We talk about John Mayer mostly. She's zooming in from the Middle East. Yeah, she's coming to us live from Tel Aviv, the motherland, after spending a blessed week to celebrate Hanukkah with her friends and family and loved ones. And what better way...

to start the goy holiday season than with How Long Gone. I'm sure that she's happy to be here. I'm sure the Wi-Fi in Tel Aviv is strong. Chris, I'm sensing a bit of sarcasm when you say that, Chris. Why would I? Sarcasm what? With the Wi-Fi? Tel Aviv's a very chic city. I wasn't kidding. I'm sure she's staying at the Soho House Tel Aviv, so she's probably fine. Okay, well, all this and more will be revealed after a short commercial break. makes a noise for our sponsors 2023 you guys are awesome this episode of how long gone is brought to you by a new podcast from the guardian stateside with kai and carter this is covering a lot of our bases jason it's a it's trying to slow down The news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. A lot of questions. But how often? Because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Three times a week. And I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess. The Guardian is not some billionaire owned. They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcast. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? You know, especially when it's not, you know, from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Quince. Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter, more breathable, and they're just easy but still put together. I don't want to look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. They focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons. Well-made basics but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated.

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That all these cellists get a little buck. They can maybe buy their kid a shekel for Christmas. But then you have to watch the movie as well. Exactly. Exactly. That's the problem. You get to watch. Oh, sorry, guys. Sorry it wasn't Triangle of Sadness. I wouldn't watch that either. I wouldn't watch any. Triangle of Sadness is low key fire, unfortunately. I watched it on the planet. It's great. A great movie. Chris, you're not a movie guy. We know this. I'm trying to never watch a movie again is my goal. Yeah, you're a no movie, no movies ever kind of guy. But unfortunately, I am going to make exceptions for documentaries because that feels educational and as close to book reading as I can get. Sure. And if I have to see something for work, like if I have to watch a screener. because we have a high-profile guest coming on or something of that nature. I feel like it would be irresponsible of me not to crack the case on the A24. Yeah, every time a movie is sent to us, a screener is sent to us, he always watches it, even before I do. It's so amazing. That's not true. I've never seen a single movie that our guests have been in or made. We know, we know. If somehow the Criterion Collection made a documentary about Below Deck or something like that, or Laguna Beach Season 4, then maybe you might. I just don't have the patience, and I think I'm willing to admit that, and others aren't, because I think a lot of people are in the same boat. Yeah, a lot of wine moms in Beverly Hills are in that same boat. You're a moment-to-moment kind of guy. You need the scroll. You need the excitement. You need the ups and downs of the feed. That's right. Rather than the expansive span of... Of a two-hour movie. He doesn't want a fine glass of scotch. He wants a crack pipe. That's right. That's literally true. And he seems to be proud of that. You know, Jason, I have noticed while listening to your podcast that you have a way with metaphors. That was a really fine metaphor. You're right. Thank you. I agree. Yeah. Unfortunately, my brain only works in...

It's kind of like this. Well, you know, as long as you... But that's all you need nowadays. That's all you need. It often works. Sometimes I'll slide in a not unlike blank. Right. I don't think that the... I just think that the commitment level is too high and the payoff is often not worth. It's a crapshoot. In fact, in Jason metaphors, the juice is not worth the squeeze. Well, I think the risk, your time is so valuable. Exactly. It's probably, what, a 40, 60 chance the juice is yummy, but you're like, I don't have enough time for even odds like that. I just don't. I just don't. Because there's so much e-news to watch. I just think the... our world is fast now and movies are slow. And I think some people want to, that's the purpose for them watching them. And I don't want that. It's, it's like, I just don't, I don't have the desire to sit for three hours and then you meditate a different way. Exactly. Well, the real pain in movie watching, we all know is having to discuss it afterwards with whoever you watched it with. That's not, that's fun. That's not fun. Jason, yesterday, did you discuss the home alone experience with your life partner? Why don't you discuss these nuts? No, well, I mean, we had seen the film a zillion times, so we didn't need to be like, oh, you know, I didn't see that coming out, you know, in the third act. But it was more just like, wow, it's cool to see, you know, a spectacle of this nature. And there was a lot of things that I had forgotten about the film, mostly how tidy the script was. Okay. I mean, it's a John Hughes classic. Yeah, the guy's a pro. Okay, see, here's what Jason's doing. Jason's going into a tweet that did very well for me, where project managers in Chicago, because of their love for White Lotus, were trying to tell me about, like... The story arc and the sea plot and how they were working so well. And that's what Jason's doing right now with Home Alone. And if you're wondering, that tweet did very well, you guys. It did very well. I just think that everybody's obsession with television has made them think they're also critics and can speak about it like an expert. Well, I mean, at what point, if we're all allowed to speak on all these cultural things because we are an expert, how many movies does one have to watch before they're allowed?

not in your eyes, but just the eyes of society in general to speak on that in a critical manner? It's a great question, and I think they should keep it on Letterboxd is my answer. Okay. Well, maybe you shouldn't follow so many Chicago art directors on Twitter, and you would never run into this problem, Chris. Well, the project managers are merely a placeholder and example for all kinds of people. I didn't mean to call out the project management community specifically. That just seemed like kind of a nice baseline to go with. They'll manage you right into the fucking dirt. All right. We need more fry time. I'm sorry. We got a dime holding up a dollar, as they say. You guys were on a roll, and I understand. Her restraint. You know, I wanted to give you the space to hold space for you. Thank you for holding space for us, as always. That does feel great. You hold space like goddamn Steve Aoki. Well, what's going on? You're over there in Tel. Is there a nickname for Tel Aviv? I'm over in Tel Aviv, yeah. I was in Athens for three days. Great city. Great city. Great city. Doesn't it feel like a bomb could go off at any time? In Athens? Yeah, it feels on the precipice of danger. I actually grew up in Israel where, you know, there were times when you literally... You're like, yeah, that's right. I know what that, I'm just saying, you know what that feeling is like. I have to say I'm fairly, I'm, I'm fairly relaxed about that sort of thing, I guess, or I don't feel it really. Or it just feels like, and the short answer is no. I mean, not to me, at least. It's only the second time I've been to Athens. I was there like maybe 15 years ago. Long time ago. Fry, as a known cigarette smoker, would you agree that Athens, one of the greatest cigarette cities in the world? Yeah, I mean, people smoke. People smoke all over. I mean, Tel Aviv is the same. Is it? Is it the same? When I was in Athens, all I remembered was just like, every time you sit down at any table, it's like...

Here's four pounds of pure feta in an ashtray, indoors, outdoors, in a bathroom, funeral parlor. It's just cheese and chain smoking the whole time. And I was like, I'd get used to this. Yeah, yeah. Because the feta is different there, isn't it? I feel that way. The feta is great. The feta hit different. Yeah, I love the food. I do love the food. I'm a big fan of, you know, briny, salty. You're like a hot girl tinned fish, but it's not oysters. Exactly. I'm a bit of a hot girl tinned fish type. I just want cold and pickled and astringent is the vibe. Yeah. Love pickled, love lemony, love astringent. It's giving astringency. Yeah, yeah. Pucker up. It makes my lips. Pucker. It's giving pucker. It's giving astringency. You guys are really making a great case for Athens. Bought you by the Athens Tourism Board. This episode is going to... Yeah, but it's nice. And also, as you guys know, I'm a big... Unlike you guys, I'm a big cat person. And there are many, many cats. Okay, so you're saying Athens is a known kind of stray cat? community yeah it's a it's a stray cat community much like okay so you're you're up to your ears and kitty i'm up to my ears and pussy okay so why why do you think why do you think the the pussy community gathers in these places well the climb the climb is um okay so you mean the climate is that what you yeah the climate is fair i was like Do you have to walk up a very big mountain to get to Tel Aviv? Cats love to run the Santa Monica stairs. The climate is fair. It's mild. Pussy thrives in this climate is what you're saying. Yeah, the pussy thrives in this climate.

Pretty, I imagine it makes sense that the cat community thrives. Okay, so what is the, did the locals, now do the locals embrace the community by putting out food and water for the, okay. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Both in Tel Aviv and in Athens, I don't have experience with turkey. Is the fancy feast kosher? That's a really good question. I would imagine so. That's a really good question. Thank you. That's a really good question. Might be an overstatement. TJ's done it again. TJ's done it again. His mind. In my eyes, you know, it's a question. It needs to be answered. I mean, it begs answering. Yeah. It's a question of time. It's a question of trust. To quote Dave Gahan. It's a question of trust, and it's a matter of trust. I think probably, yeah, because I think, like, probably every food stuff has to go through. I want my kitty to go to heaven, right? This cat has gone to, yeah, I mean. Yeah. Now, do you, and you don't, so you don't find any, you're not scared to pet a stray, feral cat. I'm not. You mean in terms of disease or in terms of. Just general mange. Yeah, just all of the above. Or in terms of getting bit. I'm not going to touch any animal. I don't touch Jason's animals, and I know them pretty well at this point. Chris hasn't touched pussy in years. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, I'm a big come here, cuddle. Get over here. You're going to lay down on the floor of the 7-Eleven. I'm going to lay down on the floor with the eyeless, you know, like one-eared calico. That's like drooling from the mouth. What is the attraction to cats? Because I know this is a long-running theme for you. And I know that you obviously have some and you've you document them on your social media accounts. She's a cat mom. We'll say it. Did this start at a young age or is this something you developed as an adult? Oh, my God, guys. Sorry. Sorry. It cut out for like, I would say, like 20 seconds. So Chris was just asking if you have been a pussy lover your whole life or is it a recent thing that happened? You know, have you always been a cat head?

Okay, I mean, I've always liked cats. My parents were kind of like you, Chris, in the sense of, like, I don't want to, like, it's a hassle to have an animal, to have a pet. The schlepping. It's schlepping. They're, like, unlike me, I'm, like, sloppy and slobby, relatively speaking, and my parents are very neat and clean. and i don't think my mom needed the headache of like oh like cat hairs and or dogs or like whatever and so i didn't grow up i think when i when i was really little i had like a bunny wow and we have that's an extreme like when i was like when i was like five yeah but it was fairly you know he had a cage and we would let him or and And then we had like, we had a guinea pig for a period, but those are like fairly. Jesus Christ. So your mom's like no cats, but we'll put the guinea pig in the cage over in the corner. Yeah, pretty much. I mean, it was manageable because like, you know, they don't get on the front. You know, it's just like, you don't have to. Sure. Yeah. It's more contained. It's more contained. But that was when I was really young. Like when I was like, I don't know, maybe like kindergarten age or something. But then after that, we had no pets. And so I didn't really. grow up with pets. You know, I had friends who had pets and stuff. And it really... And I always liked cats, but it really erupted within me. I would say maybe like 15 years ago. I can't mark exactly what was the moment where I was like, okay, I'm like obsessed with cats. But it came on gradually and then suddenly. I'm waiting for something to erupt in me, but it hasn't happened yet. It might happen. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I do know that when we got our first, maybe, yeah, maybe like 15 years ago, we adopted our first cat. And that really, once we adopted her, I mean, obviously like.

Before adopting her, I already, like, we liked cats. You know what I mean? Like, we made the move of, like, adopting the animal. But, like, once we got her... Gasoline, meat match. I know what love is. I know what love is. I know what love is. Okay. A mother, a wife. A mother meeting her daughter. But it took a cat to kind of put you over the edge. It really took the, yeah. And then your actual living human child's like. Well, that was before she was born. And in fact. Okay. I would credit the cat or the dearly departed Trixie for, you know, teaching me, teaching me how to, teaching me how to love. Wow, okay. Rest in paradise, Trixie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Nomi, speaking of your child, both kitty and human, I was wondering if you, as a member of the New York media elite, are you considered a Nepo mommy and is your daughter considered a Nepo baby? That's actually such a good question. Suddenly thinking about, because I was like, okay, so the whole Nepo baby, Nepo mommy, Nepo baby, you know, vulture article. Don't get me started. Don't get me started on this. I got doxxed. So I was like, okay, for once I'm in the clear. Like I was like, you know, like I don't need to worry, you know, when there's stuff about Israel, obviously like I'm the first person to admit like I'm in Israel. It's like fucking problematic. I have a million things to say about it. like stuff about the media, you know, people in like legacy, whatever you could say, like you can talk shit, like in a variety of ways, I guess. Let's not bring up, let's not bring up unions either. Please keep moving. Okay. I'm going to keep it moving. Um, but so with the Neko baby thing, I was like, finally I can just sort of like wholesomely. I mean, I think it's kind of stupid, but I was like, I'm going to kind of wholesomely sit this one out or like kind of enjoy it from the sidelines or whatever. But then I was thinking,

Am I a Nepomami? Which sounds like such a horny thing, doesn't it? Yeah. I have to say you are. I don't know how, I mean. You think? Okay, what are the criteria? I just think that Nina, I think I've maybe met her once, but obviously I'm familiar with her work from social media. I just think that, I just know that she's bound for success and it's going to, I hope, for her sake, it's obviously, you know, model actress, musician, something very, very glamorous and not the dark arts of journalism. I mean, I hope so too. She's fine for now, but if she starts interning at Teen Vogue, then, you know. Yep, uh-huh. If Teen Vogue shoots her bedroom, you're fucked. I mean, I guess now, I guess now, I don't even know, like back in the day, and you know, I recently actually, last time I was, in LA a couple weeks ago or like whatever, three weeks ago, I had the pleasure of meeting the lovely Natalie Love, Lisa Love's daughter. So my mind turned to that. That was a glamorous time that is now gone. Like what now, whether Teen Vogue and so on, like what happens now with the youth, the talented youth of tomorrow whose parents have... Oh, it's tough. Fill a toehold in the media business or whatever it is, the fashion business. What happens? What's the model? What's the model for how people do it nowadays? It used to be like you would get your, you know, you would be like intern Emily Weiss or something or like whatever else. Bronson sister, like, you know, like... You have to do a lot of free DJ sets before you get booked at some of the bigger parties. Right, exactly. I would say you gotta... Have you bought Nina a... a Stratocaster or a Telecaster or anything? No, she hasn't, no. No music, no actual, I mean, she listens, we listen to music and she listens to music, but nothing. You haven't given her any books or anything like that, right? She can't. Nothing. Okay, good, good, good. She can't read.

Her eyes have been cobbled. I have a cool indie record deal, but I'm also in a hit TV show, and I also am a Chanel ambassador. That's where you want to go. That's the trifecta. If you're going to Nepo, do it. The only reason I don't want to have kids is because I'm not guaranteed that my... daughter would be a chanel ambassador and there's no point otherwise if and i'm not talking chanel beauty i want to be very clear okay so not i love no i love coco for you i love coco is a cute start like that's a cute middle school maybe middle school early high school but as soon as i've always wondered about how the relationships happen when um i mean it's clear when people are like actually actors and so on you know like But the Chanel ambassadorships that are sort of like more low-key socialite-y, I don't know, like Jen Brill or someone, or like, you know, people like that, like where it's not really famous people, it's just like cool people. Drag her, honey. No, no, not in a bad way, in a cool way. I'm just kidding. What you find out, like what you find out, if you look, so what happens, for example, when this... Celine Indie Sleaze concert happened or like, um, or like it's Christmas and everybody's getting Hermes beauty, you know, and they tag, they tag the PR person. When you click on the PR person every single time, it's shocking because it's literally like a pretty hot sorority girl with like a husband that doesn't, that like you can't believe knows who Jen Brill is. So it's like not, not very cool people, like sort of basic is what you're saying. Yeah. Cause it's a, it's a, pretty intense job like that's a that's a job we're all living in a work from home environment you no longer have to live in soho to be a pr person you can just live i mean like when we did that spotify thing the guy was like from tennessee or something like that who managed like social media shit you know as long as you have the internet and a phone then you're good i mean obviously that's different than high fashion but all of these people live in new york or la these are there's a certain kind of there's a certain kind of person

that wants that job because it's cool. If you work at Hermes, it's a cool job. But at the end of the day, you're most likely, even at this point, Jason, going to an office and sitting in a computer from 9 to 6. That's what that job is. You get to go to cool events and stuff. Don't get me wrong. You get to rub elbows with Chrissy Teigen. You have to hold a clipboard. At least once a year. Shout out to my purple family. I just don't think the job is as glamorous as it used to be, especially when it's in-house. Right. Because then it's like you're dealing with one client the whole time. Right. Not in-house. Right. Well, speaking of celebs, Nomi, I was wondering, this is a question for Chris and Fry together. Yes. Has there ever been, you know, you guys are both into. celebrities and news and gossip and people and personalities and all those things. Has there ever been a time where you either of you had an unhealthy obsession with a celebrity where maybe you had to check yourself or you're like, oh, damn, this is getting a little too. Oh, that's interesting. What do you what do you mean by like what would unhealthy be? I guess unhealthy would mean I mean, obviously, you're not like. Figuring out where they live and like what, you know, you're not pulling their children's dental records or anything like that. But, you know, where you're just like, you know what, maybe I should kind of pump the brakes on this a little too much. It's starting to get a little too. Yeah, not really. I guess like for me, the only I what I need to modulate is not so much my feelings, but my public. showing of them i guess you're you're you're putting you're showing all your cards all the time because i'm often showing all my cards i'm like very open about like being obsessed with certain people and so and sometimes i'm like you know like i really i really start to feel bad for the person i'm like okay like i guess i gotta pump the brakes with the sap these a little bit maybe you know they've heard enough of me for the past like six months. Hold on. That's a great example. You've been unable to build with the Safdies so far. I've built lightly with them. I've emailed with them and stuff. I've met them. Light build. It's definitely at the point where we've interacted for sure several times. Do you think you've interacted enough where if they wanted to kind of

take this relationship to the next level, they would. And they're kind of resistant to that. I mean, they probably, yeah, they probably don't. I mean, they're busy. They're busy people and they know, listen, I'll always be here for Josh and Benny. They know where I am. If they, you know, if they want to, you know, hang out, I'm, I'm always ready. I'm, I'm ready to want to read scripts to watch rough cuts. You know, I'm, I'm, They know where I am. I know where they are. I know where their parents live. So you're willing to check out some of the dailies even in a rough state? Is that the term? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And you're able to kind of imagine what it's going to look in final after the post and everything. And you don't hold that against them. That's really cool of you. So did you plant an AirTag in a pair of Carhartts or is this – you don't know where they are. Yeah, yeah. You planted an AirTag in a boot boy's beanie. Yeah. I will say that when I was in – I guess it wasn't in high school but maybe like right after high school. I was a big Mandy Moore fan. Was this the candy era? Actually, just for sexual reasons. This is the Ryan Adams? No, no, no. This was a walk to remember. No, this is the twist. That's what I'm saying. So it's a walk to remember. Damn, that's how I know you guys. Exactly. Walk to remember, Mandy. So Mandy was doing like a screening, and then she would be there after. And my friend and I went. And when we got there, I was just like, what the fuck am I doing? Like, I don't want to watch this movie. I don't want to. Like, I'm not going to talk to her. What's the point of this? You know, I realized quickly. And that was the fucked up twist that she went on to marry Ryan Adams. And I was like, damn, maybe I did have a chance. Yeah, she would have been better off. Yeah, she would have been better. She would have been better off marrying me. And not dating a drug addict monster. Although, was this in your heavy active addiction days? Me? No, this is early. This is like 20 years old. Like, we're doing coke in the parking lot and going in to watch a screen.

of a walk to remember and then 30 minutes in the coke wears off and i'm like what the fuck am i doing like we have to we have to let's go to an ultra lounge so you so you do a covert bum yeah yeah and it was in 35 minutes in to a walk to remember starring mandy moore the average age in the audience is 11 you're on coke it's 3 45 p.m yeah it wasn't that's kind of that kind of hard look at your life that kind of was the vibe and then and then i saw her once in la No, no, I'm sorry. I saw her at the Juice Press on Rivington Street when the hotel in Rivington was, like, new and hot. She was staying there, and I have to say, statuesque beauty. Blown away in real life. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, she's gorgeous. I mean, I haven't seen her. I've actually never seen her in real life. But I didn't realize she was, like, six feet tall. Oh! Oh, I didn't know that. When you have the heels on, obviously that helps. She did seem like she might have been heading to Good Morning America or something. She was full glam. Chris, follow-up question. What's your stance on Ashley Simpson from that era? Not my cup of tea. Okay. I know that seems like something that would be in my zone. Not even her campaign for Ashley Simpson for candies? Well, I don't think that she was. Look, I'm not saying. I mean, look. I'm not saying. It's out of the question. Gun to your head. Yeah, gun to my head. But you know my story about Ashley Simpson, how I met her at her house with her former husband, Fall Out Boy and How Long Gone fan. Pete Wentz. Mr. Pete Wentz. Oh, we've all heard the story, Chris, but we would love to hear it one more time for Christmas. I just, I went over there. I got super high and my friend. Wait, so this is in New York or where? This is in LA. This is a long time ago. This is when Pete and Ashley were like very famous and married. Right. Was this after the birth of Bronx? No, Bronx Mowgli was on the way. Okay. So we got, I got super high. I took my rental car from.

to their house because my friend Dan Sue was like their like day-to-day manager at the time and he's like yeah come over I think he was like living there maybe in like the pool house kind of vibe and and I get there and we smoke more weed and then we go inside and and the mom is there because they had hired or maybe Disney had sent like the actual Disney artists to paint the nursery with characters from the Disney universe oh well Wait, so Ashley and Jessica's mom? That's right, yeah. I'm suddenly blanking on her name. I'm blanking on her name, too, but she was there, and then the best part of the story is that I ran out of gas on Sunset Boulevard. When you say gas, what do you mean by that exactly? I don't mean the cookie Ziploc. I mean the fucking Dodge Charger. Petrol. They came to a stop on Sunset Boulevard, and I had to get a nice civilian to help me push the car into the Citgo. Oh, wow. It was a tough – Imagine watching Chris push a car. I wasn't in the shape I'm in now. We can say that. This was before TaskRabbit. Yeah, this was before. This was honestly a friendly citizen, but I feel like in L.A. People are willing to help with car stuff because it's like the shared struggle. Right, and it's karma as well. There we go. When you're going to get stuck on Sunset. I would help someone. I would pull over and help someone, honestly. You're a good Samaritan. If they were a six or higher, yeah, you probably would do that. That's true. Male or female, though. Let's not limit it. We knew, Chris. We knew. Omnivorous. All right, good, good, good. Wait, I have a question. So is this like a special Christmas episode with a Jew? Well, it's a good question, Fry. At the booking department here at How Long Gone, as a Christmas gift to our devout listeners. They were so good this year that they deserve to know me. But this is not Christmas. This is the How Long Gone Happy Holiday episode.

We only celebrate the holidays here, even though Chris does not use that word. He's a staunch Christmas celebrator. Chris is finally able to say Merry Christmas. Thank God. Thank God. Unapologetically. And listen, I've been jockeying, much like my jockeying for Safdie's close friendship, I've been jockeying for... a return to the pod for years now. A decades-long campaign. Because I believe I was episode 13. Yeah. Episode 13, deep. And we did a live show together in Beantown, but that doesn't count. That doesn't count. We did do a live show together. It's true. I think sometimes we forget about the things that are closest to us. Yeah. Sometimes we take for granted. For a holiday spirit, I needed that right now. Needed to hear that. You're much like a businesswoman, a cold-hearted businesswoman from the big city who returns to a small town in Tennessee. Exactly. For Christmas. Yeah, this is a Reese Witherspoon movie. Hey, Hollywood. Home for the holidays. Yeah, that's what I thought. That's like me and you guys. You got all fancy with your fancy famous people. We're suddenly too good to go to the Walmart. Exactly. And you need to remember the yokel who works, who's an usher. At the local theater. Exactly. And they happen to be really hot when they take their glasses off. Yeah. And, like, he takes off his shirt for some reason. He's, like, ripped, and it's, like, amazing. Sometimes when I go home for the holidays, you know, some people in my life or maybe some family members, like a cousin or something, would be like, oh, Hollywood is back in town, you know, tries to give me shit. Right, Hollywood Chris. Gonna wear one of your Tom Brown skirts? For having very low, extremely low level, I wouldn't even say success, they like to kind of make fun of me for that. Sure. Do you experience that when you return to the motherland, or is that not part of your life? I've been, you know, I don't, I not really, no. It's probably more like, hey, Hollywood, this is so cool. Congratulations on your success.

Did you bring me gifts and toys? Did you bring me Von Dutch Tucker hat? What's going on? No, I would say, okay, specifically, like, my family, for better or worse, has always had punishingly high expectations of me. Okay. Okay, good. Great. Okay, so they're like, hey, North Hollywood. Yeah, North Hollywood. It's you. North Hollywood. What's up, Studio City? Good to see you. Right, it's you. So you're saying. No, no. I mean, it's great. It's great to see everyone, and, you know, everyone's nice, and, you know, but it's. Yeah, but it's not really like that because they have always pushed me to the brink of, you know, to the brink of disaster to, like, be the best that I can be. So they're like, oh. Yeah, it's you. You did what you were supposed to do. That's refreshing. I kind of like that. And you're back. Now you're back. I kind of like that. You've returned. That's good to hear. That's a rare... We've successfully broken you. We've broken you. Like a wild mare. You were a wild mare from the Middle East. You got sent in one of those little... carrier vans with like the the window with the bars oh yeah you know a guy's in there whipping that mare too you got shipped to new york and you sat at the computer and you like wrote and stuff for years and years i guess this is my life now and you tweeted and you networked and you wrote some more and now you're back and it's good to see you you tweeted I couldn't help but wonder. Did you get a nice note from your parents when you got the blue check on Instagram, or did they kind of let that go? No, I don't think they really care about stuff like that or really notice. Your dad was like, did you pay for it? I'll know. Your engagement's kind of low. No daughter of mine pays for a blue check. No, but I should know that they're extremely, they're very supportive and proud of me. It sounds like they're like non.

you know, sort of, like, non-impressed with my whatever it is that I've achieved. And that's not the case. They are, and they're happy. They're just kind of like, yeah, that was kind of, like, what we were expecting of you at the same time. I don't know. That's cool. That's cool. I like that. Fry, speaking of the motherland, I was checking out a couple of your tweets about this trip. Yes. One of them, you said that the Airbnb that you're staying at is, quote, a theater of pain. And I would like you to expand on that. You mentioned that the bed was short even for you. So as a tall podcaster, I could only imagine how dinky this is. As you guys, I believe you guys know that I am married to a tall man, not as tall as you, Jeans. He's a big fella. Yeah, he's tall. He's 6'4", I believe. And so he used to have his little feetsies dangling. Off any old bed. So for him, it's just another day at the office. As I always like to say, when you fit nowhere, you fit everywhere. Exactly. No skin off your back. No sweat off my sack. But for me, I believe I'm 5'7", maybe 5'6 1⁄2". So not short, but also not extremely tall, freakishly tall. And my feetsies are kind of like I feel them kind of not hanging off the bed, but kind of on the precipice of dangling. And I don't like that feeling. It makes me feel unmoored and unsafe. Welcome to my hell. It's weird. I mean, it's like. You know, I mean, I probably fit in the bed, but if I sort of move around a little bit. There's issues. There's no wiggle. Yeah, no wiggle room. So I, you know, need to stay. You have to be sedated. I got to be sedated. And so last night was a trial. And also just, I don't know, I slept okay in Athens, but then like suddenly the jet lag was back last night. I slept really shitty. What else? There's like a bit of a wet dog smell on the premises, which I'm.

not a huge fan of well based on what you've told us about the wild animals it seems like you could be cohabitating and not realizing it maybe I know maybe maybe there's like some sort of like wet mutt like hiding under the floorboards or something but could be a mongoose in that down in the attic or something who knows yes yes and it's just like I don't know it's it's just like I mean it's uh No shade to the people living here, but I've never seen an uglier, like the decors, really. No shade to the people that made this house ugly as shit. No shade to your Airbnb house. I mean, they don't know. They don't know me. I'm not mentioning their name. I don't really know their name. Anyway. Yeah, we don't want you to get kicked off of Airbnb. We can't have you going Tim Dillon. No, this is, it's an undisclosed location. It's just one of the many Airbnb units. Now, you know, I'm staunchly anti-Airbnb. Right. I think it's almost always a disappointment in a hotel. If it's a disappointment, you can complain and they'll try to make it better. Whereas Airbnb is truly screaming into the void. Yeah. But it's because of your, when you have a family, I feel like it's the best option because otherwise you're getting two rooms instead of one. So it becomes a very difficult hotel equation to work out. Yeah, I think, yeah, it's definitely better. I will say that when I travel alone for work or for pleasure, I tend to... What I tend to do is I tend to just write on Instagram instead of like going to the actual Airbnb site. I tend to just write on Instagram on stories. I'm like, I'm coming. I'm coming to L.A. I did when I went to Seattle last year to actually Seattle. I did go with with my family, but it often like yields much better, much better options. One of your successful Hollywood friends chimes in, oh, actually, I'm going to be in Montana at the ranch. You can leave my house. Right. That has not happened yet. That has not happened yet. Okay. But I have been able to, you know, I've stayed in some lovely places where people are just traveling, you know? Yeah. And then it's usually probably cheaper just because, like, it's usually a friend of a friend or, like, an acquaintance or maybe even a friend.

And it's nicer than what people offer for, like, you know, an Airbnb unit. Well, it's got to be nicer. It's got to be nicer than the Line Hotel. Anything is. Right. And then there's the Line Hotel. I don't know if you saw that tweet, Jeans, but the Airbnb in Athens had a fake cement wall, and I did feel like I was. Staying at Koreatown's own wine hotel. I'm back in K-Town. Yeah, that's amazing. You think the design was inspired by the wine hotel? No, I think it was just like a faux-brutalist whore. I mean, over in Athens, according to Chris's description, it could be actual brutalism. That's true. It's not faux. That's true, but I kind of tap-tapped on it and it sounded hollow. You couldn't put your TRX bands up on that wall and come right down. These walls will not survive another shelling. No. Is what you felt. Okay. Yes. No, that's what I felt. That's what I felt. Speaking of another tweet that I was reading, you said that you follow, this is a long-running theme in the last few weeks on How Long Gone. Our last guest also mentioned a bit of a social media obsession with this person. I followed Maddie Healy for sport. He didn't follow me back. And he didn't follow back. And it had me thinking, what are the reasons why we follow people? And professional reasons, somebody in your field who has a lot of mutuals, they follow you, you got to follow back. Or if you're trying to have sex with them or you just think they're hot or funny or they make a meme. But the sport follow is probably the coolest way to follow or coolest reason to follow someone. I don't necessarily know why, but I kind of... I have to keep my eyes glued to their goings on. Do you do that? Do you do that? No, I'm not a sport follower. Do you do that? I'm not really a sport follower. I mean, I follow Maddie Healy. Oh, I am. I guess it's kind of for sport. Chris, who was a sport follow for you? They're not usually famous. I mean, it'll be like someone who's like, oh, they wrote a story I liked, you know, or something clever, and then I see that we have 100 mutual followers, and I will follow back. Oh, that's not a sport follow. I mean, a sport follow is like,

how you follow like the proud boys just to see what they're up to. Like it's so weird, you know? Oh, I follow, there's an influencer I follow that I've, I truly follow just to laugh at her posts because it's like dramatic black and white photos being like macho is so good. And it's like, it's like, I'm not exaggerating. I have screenshots of it on my computer because it's like black and white photos of like. gifts from chanel and then like a shadowy wall that says like the sun came out today heart it's just it's i was gonna say i'm trying to figure out who you're talking about you don't know you didn't narrow it down at all you don't know this person it's but it's like she's she's very pretty she's very rich but all the photos are like you know how there's that style of of of influence it's like the photos are kind of like all corners It's like a perfect – it's like a little stack of books or a ceramic full of warm, comforting matcha or maybe a vase with some fresh flowers or, of course, the most infamous and famous, the farmer's market post, a classic of all instances. It sounds a bit like a throwback though, right? Like no twist to that. No twist because I think she's – yeah, she's been in the game quite a while and I think that like – I wear the row and drink matcha and have a G-Wagon is very common at this point. Right, yes. I think the dramatic black and white is her twist. Okay. I think that might be this. That's her wet bandit style calling card. That's a Home Alone reference. I don't know if you guys remember. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's her wet bandit calling card is the black and white manipulated photos. But did you see, what was I, who are we talking about, Jason? Was somebody like, oh, never mind. I can't talk about that. Okay, well, let's get back to you and your sport following of Maddie Healy. Of Maddie Healy? What drove you to sport follow this man? And to let you know, he is a listener of this show and a guest on this show. I hope, Maddie, if you're listening, follow me back. So you unfollowed and then followed back the social media equivalent of restarting the computer? No, I didn't. That was a joke. That was a joke.

That was a joke. Yeah. I was like, he hasn't followed me back. What gives? I don't know if this worked. I had to like unfollow and refollow. My computer is being weird. And then I was like, maybe I'll unfollow and refollow. That was a joke. Yeah. I didn't do that. My phone's so weird. My phone's so weird. I don't know. He seemed, it's just like all of a sudden it seemed like he was in the mix with everybody. Like people I know, like you guys. And I mean, Joe interviewed him. He suddenly appeared in our silo. In the last few months. Yeah. Suddenly he's like hanging out with people I know and he seems kind of funny and, and like he's cute. Now he's like kissing people, which is a funny meme, like kissing people on stage. I was like, okay, maybe, maybe it's time. Maybe it's time. Maybe this is something that I should check out, you know, see, see what's up, see what's up. And so, yeah. And so I was just like, okay, I'm just going to follow in and see. See what happens. See what I see. Watch what happens. Watch what happens next. Let's give a quick content review. Are you happy that you follow? This was super recent. I don't really think. This was two days ago. It's still super fresh, Chris. It's so fresh. I'm going to need some time to reflect. I would love to comment on it, but I'm just not there. I will say that his stories are pretty amazing. I feel like I maybe haven't watched the story yet. I think there was like maybe I saw like one post where he's like posing with like a sort of like a hat. Like a sort of stocking. A shysty? Cap of the mirror with no shirt on or something. Like I saw one post, I think, on the feed, but I haven't like gone in. He's been involved in the indie drama, you know, lately. Are you talking about the friend of the pod, Phoebe Bridgers? Phoebe Bridgers relationship status. Relationship, Paul Mescal, Bo Burnham drama. I've been kind of, even though I don't have any.

I don't have, like, any stake in the game. Like, I'm not especially, you know, I'm not uninterested, but I'm not especially, like, interested in anyone in this triangle. I feel like it's, again, much like Matt Healy. I feel like it's something I should put up on. and understand what's happening. Look, I think that for me, obviously, I just want Phoebe to be happy. Right. So whatever that's going to be for her. That's so dope that you said that. That's what I'm going to support, obviously, because I support women and kind of who they choose to date is up to them. Yeah. I don't think we should pressure them. You're a champion of women. I'm a champion of women, but I will say that I prefer Paul Mescal's catalog of work. to Bo Burnham's I mean that's classic that's classic Chris though I mean that's that being said I haven't really seen any of Bo Burnham's work but I did I want to go on record saying that I did love 8th grade and even reviewed it back I did actually you know what I did I also loved 8th grade I did love 8th grade that's a good that's a good one that was a movie where they go Gucci yeah exactly that movie was good and in fact was also produced by Is Chris Doerr a friend of the pod as well? Chris Doerr, a big friend of the pod. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Chris Doerr, our big friend. Well, that's right. I forgot about that. I actually didn't know that. Yeah, yeah. I was involved in that movie. I did not know him when I... I did not know him then. My vision has been clouded by the unbelievable success of the bear. You know, it's hard to even look back on the IMDb. Great, great TV show. And I'm so happy for Chris. So, but do you understand the, do you thirst for Paul the way that maybe the gay community does? I mean, I think, I think he's handsome, obviously. But he's not my number one. He's not really my type. Okay. He's on the market, so I was just trying to kind of see gay interest. Yeah, of course. Is he maybe a little too boyish for you? Maybe a bit too boyish. I prefer perhaps a more grizzled, destroyed appearance. Destroyed.

I do have a destroyed man. You sound like you're talking about a pair of Amiri jeans. Yeah, that's exactly the vibe. Being grizzled and destroyed gets you a lot of pussy in this world. Look at Jason. How lucky is that for the grizzled and destroyed community? For the grizzled community? Yeah. And grizzled is spelled with an X instead of an I. Grizzled X. I think that that's fair. I understand. The thirst for Paul Mezcal because I think it's also he's like a sensitive actor, which I don't feel like we get. that that kind of archetype of like hot foreign and sensitive i feel like we just don't have a lot of that anymore yeah and he looks like he keeps his asshole pretty clean which i know is a big thing for you chris i think i think maybe too clean for my taste is what i'm trying to say i see i see okay you're saying what i'm talking about exactly no after normal people after normal people he was able to afford that bidet and that's kind of where things went left exactly yeah that was the last thing he needed God damn it. Yeah, you can really polish that thing. Well, there's another thing as we're ending, Fry. Like a shiny apple. Like a shiny apple on the teacher's desk. You also tweeted, which was a nice way to kind of wrap up this episode as well as this year, and you used the word Q4 in scare quotes here, which is a great, you know, we love to use that word, but you said, my plan for the remainder of... quote-unquote, Q4, is to look more and more like shit and treat my body increasingly badly in order to make the wiping of the slate on New Year's Eve more triumphant. And this is, you're simply edging an entire year, and I like that. This is the type of, I love to dig myself in a hole and try to crawl out of it. And I like to, you know, nothing feels better than a shower after. After a rough night. After a rough night. Yeah, I mean.

You guys are, I mean, it's obviously you, Chris, you're like a model citizen with the berries and the sobriety and Belgian loafers. And, you know, all of that. Jeans, you're a bit more rough and ready, as they say on the British Bake Off show. Yeah, you get a handshake for that one, sweetheart. At this point in your life, maybe you understand me more. on this on this matter but is is that do you can you identify with this sentiment or like what what's what's your one thousand percent one thousand percent yeah i i can and i think that it's important to have q4 situations like this because some of us who are so wound up and doing the same you know you need to kind of pull over and take a rest up you need to let a little some steam out of the hot air balloon And Q4, especially the final days of Q4, no better time to do it. The emails aren't really coming in. It's cookie time. You're watching bad TV. I'm watching Friends. I paid $400 to watch Home Alone. Dark days. And then January 1st comes here, and they say the first five pounds, easiest to lose. It's a great... Way to jumpstart that weight loss journey because you add five pounds in the last two or three days. Right, right, right. And then you're jumpstarted. You're ready to go. Kickstart my heart. Kickstart my heart. When I get high, get high on speed. I don't know if Chris is aware of these Vince Neil musings. Yeah, guys, I'm aware of Speed. And Motley Crue's take on... I remember being a little kid and my mom bought me the cassette of that song. And I remember listening to it in her car in a Home Depot parking lot or something like that. And it starts off with a motorcycle. And I was like, yeah. I can't wait to fuck. Yeah, you were ready to fuck at that point. That's actually a great...

album i remember it fondly because it's like this is the album that was like their sober comeback i don't know dr feel good dr feel good this is after they that's how fucked up they were dr feel good was the sober album yeah that was just sober it was like sober but badder than ever that was like the messaging like chris yeah that's my that's my outlook of life i'm i finally got sober and somehow more problematic yeah and then it was like uh it also had the ballad girl don't go away mad girl just go away uh which was you know about like letting go of toxic old toxic relationships yeah not unlike the i hate to see you go but i love to once you leave exactly got a nice ass chris i got that i got that thanks so that's what it that's what it means okay yeah so oh q4 and related yes i think i think you know weirdly i will say that i haven't had anything to drink in almost two weeks, so I'm not really treating myself that badly. Not even water? But it's kind of just because I was... It's tough over there. Yeah, not even water. I'm really parched. You shouldn't be podcasting. So you've been alcohol-free? So I've been alcohol-free. I haven't done any drugs or any alcohol. That's great. No weed smoking or anything, which I don't really do that much anyway. But I... Yeah, so in that respect, I'm actually... you know, kind of like achieving, achieving, you know, reaching new heights of self-improvement, I guess. That's a big mood. Other than that, I just feel like, you know, I just feel, and like whenever I don't drink, I'm like, I don't see it. I don't really, which must mean that I'm not really like, I don't drink that much. You know what I mean? Like I, if I go out, I drink, but I don't really drink at home that much. You don't have a glass of sherry when everyone goes to bed and stare at a wall. A snifter of Sherry. I think that the holidays, Q4 particularly, is a time to kind of lay low and grind because of these. Oh, interesting. The kind of usual annoyances of daily life are not present because there's people like you guys fucking off. And it's a time for a grussler like me to kind of make strides. So now that the emails are slowing down over at.

how long gone and done to death industries, you're able to finally get all those projects done. You're going to finish the book. Exactly. You're going to finish staining the deck. Exactly. Things like that? Yeah, I'm out here doing, I'm trying to go, you know, I'm trying to do two workouts a day, hit the sauna. Wow. So you're grinding. I'm grinding. You're getting it done. Well, it's because there's literally nothing else to do. That's the thing. If you're not going to sit around and drink and watch movies, there's literally nothing to do. Oh, you know, you could write, Chris. I could write, but, you know. We're all writers in this. chat. That's right. We're all of the same level of success and pedigree and respect, honestly. We're all writers. Have you been writing in Tel Aviv? Or do you take a break from that? No. First of all, I only got here yesterday. Second of all, I'm traveling with my child and husband. No, no. I'm not going to even try until I get back to New York towards the new year. And then that's when the grind needs to... I'm already kind of dreading it because dreading, but also I'm like, okay, maybe the brake will recharge me and I'll be able to... I'll be able to hit the ground running, so to speak. Yeah, you're going to come back to the Big Apple and settle into your comfy writing chair and just bang out some stuff. And the How Long Gone listeners will hold you accountable for these words. Yeah, that's right. The beauty of this podcast is every morning you'll wake up to thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of DMs from all of our listeners being like, Naomi, let's just 500 words. Just get it done. I really hope so. It's a circle of trust here. I really would not want to be the one who breaks it. And Nomi, I want you to also hold us accountable, too. Like, the door swings both ways over here in podcasting. It's a two-way street. As Sigourney Weaver tells Melanie Griffin in Working Girl, two-way street, Tess. Lest we forgot. Okay, maybe that references. No, there's somebody that listens to this podcast that will get that. Don't worry. Yeah.

Oh, many, many, I'm sure. I'm familiar with that movie. Oh, it's the best movie. Best? Jason, if you're going to watch movies and drink, you should watch it. Have you never watched it? Wait, what's it called? Working Girl. Working Girl? Working Girl. No, I'm sure I've watched it. Is it about an SEX worker? Oh, my God. It's absolutely a perfect, perfect movie. No, I'm sure I've seen it. I'm sure I've seen it. What drug should I take when I watch it tonight? Yeah, just smoke a little weed and watch it. Although it is a movie about the go-go 80s and Wall Street, from a woman's perspective, and, however, there is a scene where she gets harassed by Mr. Kevin Spacey, a coke snorting, champagne swilling with Kevin Spacey in a limo. over lunch hour. This is a comedy, by the way, so it's kind of light. But it's also a little bit of a feminist angle as well, right? Oh, 100%. It's revolutionary. Yeah, yeah, she was a girl boss. Before the term even existed. Before the term existed. Do you think she, would you call her a savvy New Yorker? She is a savvy, you know, she's a working class girl from Staten Island. She is a secretary who works. on wall street but she has bigger dreams she wants to actually you know be be a boss and and it's it's it's not easy let me tell you especially if you're an attractive blonde girl from staten island everybody thinks she's like stupid and look i get it i get it and uh yeah and it also stars harrison ford at his perhaps most attractive I would venture. At his yummiest? At his absolute yummiest, James. Those pictures of him in the New York Times on Sunday, I believe, he looked very cool. He's really aged. Wait, what? I missed that. I missed that. Well, there's like a big profile about him because I think he's in a TV show, which I think it might be the first time ever that he's done a TV show. But he just looks cool. He's aged quite well. He's like, you know what?

I'm coming on for the new season of Young Sheldon. I don't know why. I just want to do it. Exactly. I got bit by the bug. These fucking hanger prices over in Van Nuys are killing me. I got to do Young Sheldon. I saw him once. All right, I'm going to check out Working Girl. I was entering John and Vinny's Brentwood, and he was coming out. as i was about to come in do you look cool and uh he held the door for me yeah i mean it was a brief moment and this was like whenever it opened like i don't know like three or four years ago that's how i felt when i saw ted danson at the at the brentwood country mart oh wow looked great looked great seemed to be friendly with some family friends it was just i couldn't take my eyes off of him dude that's such curb your enthusiasm vibes yeah i know well actually you know what before we go Nomi, just quickly, did you have a chance to listen to Friend of the Show John Mayer on Call Her Daddy? Not yet, and I'm really looking forward to it. Maybe I'll even do it now. Okay. And I want to watch the video as well. Have you watched? I haven't because I'm jealous that he is on Call Her Daddy and not How Long Gone. He should come on How Long Gone. John, if you're listening. Well, unfortunately, we don't look like the host of Call Her Daddy. I think that might have played a part in this. We can't even get a baby blue G-Shock, let alone a booking. Are you referring to Father Cooper? Baby steps. And we also love Father Cooper. So I'll watch. I'll watch because it's rare that a podcast... I just feel like people like John do stuff like Marin that I don't give a shit about. Right. For him to do something where it could get spicy and she's at least, like, really engaging as a host. Yeah. That seems like a good bet for an hour. Oh, definitely. Definitely. And I'm eager to listen to it. I mean, I think it's, like, cool that he did it. I agree. He said that, because Alex listened to it and she was like, he said that December is a time to just do something you wouldn't normally do. And you know what?

I kind of agree with John on that. I like that. I like that. I like that, too. I like that. Well, Chris, you better take that advice and do something that you normally wouldn't do, even though I don't know if you're going to. What should Chris do that is unlike Chris, Nomi? You know him well. Watch a great movie. Yeah, just watch a great movie. Well, no, no, no. Let's don't get him back off the wagon. Encourage Chris to break edge. Just something he wouldn't do. Like, trust him. different now that's a good angle that's a very good angle what's one thing that chris might not ever do chris that needle up again fuck it that would be unexpected you know what john you're right i've never actually shot heroin so fuck it this christmas i think i'm putting a needle in my arm if you started doing drugs again i would be absolutely shooketh i know i know no but i will i'll do something different i'll try to i'll try to get out of my comfort zone and do something i wouldn't normally do to celebrate the beautiful holiday season you know park your own car or something like that i was i have to say chris that i was thinking about you the other day and i i thought to myself wow i'm really proud of chris's sobriety well thanks nomi yeah it's it's um like i'm i'm really it's impressive and uh in you know, it's great. You're a great, you're a role model. Thank you. Thank you. I am in only one singular way. I am a role model, um, for those that are also, uh, suffering from addiction, but yeah, it's been six years and I am, um, I, I feel great, you know, and it's, uh, you know, this time of year, I, cause it, it, my anniversary is like right after Thanksgiving. So it is top of mind, um, this time of year. But, you know, I know that a lot of people are probably going through it because they're forced to drink to deal with life during this time of year. I have no idea what you're talking about. Yeah, Jason, I'm going to gain 10 pounds. I don't give a shit. He's speaking strictly of alcohol. Chris, I didn't know that your Xanniversary was so close to the holiday season. The Xanniversary is, yeah, it's the 26th of November. So you went through Christmas sober. Your sobriety, like, felt that you're...

beginning of your sobriety you know what's interesting about my family though is it's not we're not a big drinking family my dad now turns up with his 1942 with our neighbor um but he historically my family doesn't really drink yeah like my they didn't drink when i was growing up so the holidays weren't like a big celebratory, like, let's go for a walk with my cousin and hit the bong. It wasn't that vibe. Christmas, to me, is not triggering at all. It's more of a chore. It's about God for you. It's about your relationship with God. Yeah, I only celebrate Christmas because it's Jesus' birthday, and I think that, once again, we're getting kind of... That fact is getting lost yet again in the American consumerism. All right, howlonggone.com is the website. You guys know me. Thank you so much for taking the time. to come on the show while you're on holiday with such a severe time zone difference. Oh my God, it's been an honor and a privilege. Such a severe time, is it? Naomi, honestly, we thank you for your support throughout the last... three years of How Long Gone, and we're happy to give this gift to our listeners. You're an angel investor, and you're also just nearly an angel yourself. You got it on the ground floor of How Long Gone, and we appreciate that. I really did. I really did. I really did. She was wise enough to hitch her wagon to the gone. Gone train early and often. Exactly. And we'll see you back in the Big Apple very soon. Thanks again. Very soon. Okay. Bye, guys. Love you. Bye, Nami. Love you, too. Later. My love to the family.